CGC Comics Issues Statement on Holder Tampering Controversy (Comic Book Forums)

• CGC Comics Issues Statement on Holder Tampering Controversy

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Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: December 28, 2023 9:13:13 pm Surprised it took this long... Hundreds of comics were impacted by a recent scam. CGC has released a statement promising to help those involved. https://comicbook.com/comics/news/cgc-comics-issues-statement-on-holder-tampering-controversy/ Last edited December 28, 2023 9:17:33 pm "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: December 30, 2023 6:03:25 pm People are very quiet on this matter...maybe it's been happening for a long time now? Wonder how many sellers are going to found, and how many switched books are floating around out there. "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
AmZoMBiE Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Michigan Posts: 6962 My Collection	Posted: December 30, 2023 10:36:22 pm Im not sure how to react to this, other then i know none of mine are fake, because only like 3-4 of my graded comics were not graded by me lol... the others were all done by my brother lol... im saddened for all the people that got scammed, and its nice to hear cgc is taking some responsibility even though they really had nothing to do with it. But its their name and reputation on the line...im more curious to see what happens next, if the guy gets caught and faces actual legal trouble... same as selling forgeries right? "How to destroy a man... Grant him his heart's desire." --Victor Von Doom - - - - - - - - - - Sent to CGC: Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends #1 | 1: Firestar Darkstalkers #6b Skottie Young Variant Fantastic Four Annual #6 | 1: Annihilus & Franklin Richards
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: December 31, 2023 11:39:29 am It's fraud, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest. You're right CGC really isn't at fault, but their model was ripe for the picking. Like why do they just take the word of the the person returning the book? They should have had the book regraded and the old certificate number removed/deleted and re issue a new cert #. My whole problem with CGC is that the grading is subjective and not objective. Objective means verifiable information based on facts and evidence. Subjective means information or perspectives based on feelings, opinions, or emotions. They like you to think its objective, but lets face it you have 10 people look at a book and you would get at least 5 different grades, maybe more. To me that that's not accurate. Another thing is the variable for the age of the book. It should not matter a book that's 30 or 40 years old gets graded on a curve compared to newer books, a 10 is a 10 no matter the age just as a 3 is a 3, this is my biggest gripe with CGC. This is just my opinion and 2 cents worth on this topic. Last edited December 31, 2023 11:58:39 am "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
AmZoMBiE Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Michigan Posts: 6962 My Collection	Posted: December 31, 2023 8:18:54 pm it takes only 1 scummy person to ruin an awesome thing honestly... also how can grading be anything other then subjective, you are taking 10 million books and cramming them into 24 categories technically. Every break bend nick, tear ripple being counted. Then the overall curb appeal to said book would be completely subjective... not objective. Without leaving books for over a year for every single inch to be combed over, there is no way to make a solid business out of this... and make it profitable... To be completely and utterly objective 1. they would need to charge significantly more for the amount of investigating on the book would need to take place with a significant amount of time or 2. They would need to run every single book ever thru 1 person, so that there is a level of continuity in grading. Both destroy any business models that are trying to establish or re-establish. Last edited December 31, 2023 8:25:01 pm "How to destroy a man... Grant him his heart's desire." --Victor Von Doom - - - - - - - - - - Sent to CGC: Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends #1 | 1: Firestar Darkstalkers #6b Skottie Young Variant Fantastic Four Annual #6 | 1: Annihilus & Franklin Richards
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 1, 2024 12:28:17 pm Exactly... That's what I mean it's not a true standard, There is a reason why people unslab books when they don't like the grade and send it back in hopes of getting someone that will give them the grade they want. This person has just taken it to another level. I understand the whole concept of CGC and the reason collectors want it around, but I think they need to change. Maybe computers and scanners can do the job more accurately and to a consistent standard? They also need to be more accessible to collectors, like having offices in all major cities, why does a city the size of Calgary here in Alberta Canada with a population of 1.7 million people not have a office? Heck I don't think they even have a office in Canada, so when us Canadians want to send books in now we have to deal with customs. I'm just waiting for Customs Canada to catch on that us Canadians are sending books to be graded in the USA saying they are worth X$ and are coming back to Canada at 10X the value and want their chunk of change. I just think CGC needs to be better before I would ever consider using them. "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
AmZoMBiE Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Michigan Posts: 6962 My Collection	Posted: January 1, 2024 1:16:22 pm Now that I fully agree with, they should have multiple locations, especially like you said, nothing in Canada, which seems wrong with how many collectors there are there. Accessibility could def be increased, and it would help the community by giving more jobs in the industry. The scanning idea on the surface is a good solution, just not sure how that could be properly implemented, with the amount of deviations there are per book. That could be a million dollar idea tho lol.... "How to destroy a man... Grant him his heart's desire." --Victor Von Doom - - - - - - - - - - Sent to CGC: Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends #1 | 1: Firestar Darkstalkers #6b Skottie Young Variant Fantastic Four Annual #6 | 1: Annihilus & Franklin Richards
AmZoMBiE Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Michigan Posts: 6962 My Collection	Posted: January 1, 2024 1:16:23 pm Now that I fully agree with, they should have multiple locations, especially like you said, nothing in Canada, which seems wrong with how many collectors there are there. Accessibility could def be increased, and it would help the community by giving more jobs in the industry. The scanning idea on the surface is a good solution, just not sure how that could be properly implemented, with the amount of deviations there are per book. That could be a million dollar idea tho lol.... "How to destroy a man... Grant him his heart's desire." --Victor Von Doom - - - - - - - - - - Sent to CGC: Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends #1 | 1: Firestar Darkstalkers #6b Skottie Young Variant Fantastic Four Annual #6 | 1: Annihilus & Franklin Richards
junobeach Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Victoria, BC Canada Posts: 2152 My Collection	Posted: January 2, 2024 4:01:51 pm I've been following the story since it started in the CGC forum. Did you see the video about how easy it is to open a slab is? Frightening to say the least.
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 2, 2024 5:23:53 pm Haven't seen the video, post it here Juno so we can see. "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
Topo Teacher Posts: 271 My Collection	Posted: January 2, 2024 9:23:19 pm I believe this is the video in question.
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 3, 2024 12:05:25 pm Yikes!! Now that's a big problem. Thanks for posting this "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
junobeach Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Victoria, BC Canada Posts: 2152 My Collection	Posted: January 5, 2024 7:12:09 pm This video is in response to the list of possible scam books. Somehow the guy sending in a whopping ten percent of ASM #194 9.8s for reholder did not cause any red flags at CGC. He sent in over 100 ASM #300s! Somehow an AF #15 got a yellow label for a Stan Lee sig on first page, he wrote Stan Lee '86 btw, way before CGC was a company. How is that possible? They actually wrote "Stan Lee 86 written on first page" on the label https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zisIRrNk_8&t=515s Last edited January 5, 2024 7:13:57 pm
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 6, 2024 7:51:53 am I’m beginning to wonder if this is an inside problem as well. Do these people sending in books know people working at cgc that are in on the whole scam? "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
brucifer Wise Beyond the Years lifetime member Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1156 My Collection	Posted: January 8, 2024 4:49:39 pm This entire story sounds very "fishy" to me. I thought CGC was all about integrity, but just like all other companies out there, it's only about the money. They don't find it "odd" when someone sends in dozens of copies of a single book? There is most definitely an inside man involved with this garbage. Bruce McKinlay
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 18, 2024 2:12:12 pm Exclusive! CGC President Speaks on Graded Comic Book Scandal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KmIFU_Q7XM&t=0s REACTING To CGC President Matt Nelson's Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5YTjkvX86I Last edited January 18, 2024 2:32:09 pm "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
Y2tazz Collector in Training Posts: 1 My Collection	Posted: January 19, 2024 10:57:25 pm I doubt it was an inside job, I think someone just figured out a way to game the system. How it likely got started is the scammer had a damaged shell and sent it back to get it reslabbed and realized he could send others in for a free reslab so bought a bunch of lower grade and switched them in his high grade slabs. Once those were through the system he likely sent the originals in to be graded and slabbed
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 20, 2024 2:06:00 pm I think it would be better if it was an inside job instead of incompetence. And for them to say it was only being done by one guy is ludicrous especially this early. This or some form could have been happening for years. "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
atom Wise Beyond the Years Location: Utah Posts: 1090 My Collection	Posted: January 22, 2024 1:04:26 am I don't really do slabbed comics, but I can't help thinking that this was just a matter of time, given human nature. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen sooner. Favorite Characters: Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, Captain America, The Shadow, Zorro, The Rocketeer, Jonah Hex
Tex75455 Wise Beyond the Years lifetime member Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1877 My Collection	Posted: January 22, 2024 4:15:51 pm Playing catch up here, and yikes. The only books i have slabbed are for display purposes, but the whole point of CGC was that i could buy one on ebay and not have to worry too much about whether it's real or not. Now it's got me wondering if i need to check out all my books in some way. Most of em arent necessarily special (i just liked all the 2012 venom variants so wanted a full set), but i do have two copies of the ASM Venom Variant (one signed by Stan Lee). Ive also got an ASM 50 signed by Stan Lee, but at least i know that's legit cause i got it signed and sent in myself. Fam got me an ASM 121 for my birthday, guess i should be worried there... Sorry, point wasnt to list off what i've got, but sort of to think through guaging the issue. Has CGC put up a list or anything of what's affected? What's the best way to check on whether your books have sent up flags?
Canuck I have no life moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 11253 My Collection	Posted: January 22, 2024 4:54:22 pm Listed here - https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/12454/ Last edited January 22, 2024 4:56:33 pm "Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"
Tex75455 Wise Beyond the Years lifetime member Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1877 My Collection	Posted: January 26, 2024 7:38:04 am Thanks. Looks like i'm safe.
junobeach Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Victoria, BC Canada Posts: 2152 My Collection	Posted: January 29, 2024 6:45:38 pm Tex75455 said: Thanks. Looks like i'm safe. Well, safe from this guy. But was he the only person to figure out this flaw and exploit it? I would say no.
SugarShark Collector in Training Location: Vancouver Posts: 25 My Collection	Posted: January 30, 2024 11:02:31 pm I just dislike the enormous grading price hikes from a monopoly. imagine not getting something graded; and you're told now it takes 10% of the price for some nobody to eyeball a single book and give it the wrong grade, maybe damage it, and send you a bill for 100$
AmZoMBiE Wise Beyond the Years moderator Location: Michigan Posts: 6962 My Collection	Posted: January 31, 2024 3:30:58 pm i must not know the definition of a monopoly, but pretty sure they are not lol "How to destroy a man... Grant him his heart's desire." --Victor Von Doom - - - - - - - - - - Sent to CGC: Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends #1 | 1: Firestar Darkstalkers #6b Skottie Young Variant Fantastic Four Annual #6 | 1: Annihilus & Franklin Richards
atom Wise Beyond the Years Location: Utah Posts: 1090 My Collection	Posted: February 28, 2024 1:33:39 am junobeach said: Tex75455 said: Thanks. Looks like i'm safe. Well, safe from this guy. But was he the only person to figure out this flaw and exploit it? I would say no. Where there's money, there's scammers. 100% Favorite Characters: Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, Captain America, The Shadow, Zorro, The Rocketeer, Jonah Hex
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