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- Posted: November 8, 2020 11:07:35 pm
- So earlier in this year a cool new comic book was launched, and issue #1 of Strange Academy is a HOT book right now with many first appearances. Here's the thing, though: Several months earlier eight pages of Strange Academy #1 were printed in the comic Doctor Strange: Surgeon Supreme #2. This was not an ad, not a dream or a hoax, but an actual eight page comic printed in the second half of the Dr. Strange book. I know there is plenty of grey area when it comes to first appearances, and that this is certainly not the first or last discussion that will be held on this topic but I believe that the first appearance of Strange Academy, Doyle Dormammu and several other of the characters should be properly recognized as happening in the pages of Dr. Strange, not in Strange Academy #1. It is eight pages of story (that one can argue are reprinted in SA #1), it introduces the Academy itself, it introduces several characters (at least one of whom, Doyle Dormammu, is named), several of them speak, and many of them use their powers. How can this not be their proper first appearance?
I'd love to hear any other points of view, but I don't see how it can't be.Tenzil
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- Posted: November 9, 2020 7:42:35 am
- I'm not much of an expert, but I agree, Tenzil.
An example I can think of is how issue #60 of The Walking Dead is jacked up quite a bit in price beyond surrounding issues because it features the first appearance of "Chew" in an 8 page preview.
If it goes for one comic, it should go for another.
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- Posted: November 9, 2020 12:51:13 pm
- Well, there's no disputing IH 181 is worth more but calling his appearance in 180 just a cameo is downplaying the comic. It's a full shot of him talking and announcing his name on the last page. I consider that his first appearance.
As per the OP, I don't consider a preview to be a first appearance. Most other places do not either. It's an ad for an upcoming comic.
edit: rereading the OP, if it's an original story and not a preview then it would be the first appearance of those characters.
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- Posted: November 9, 2020 1:21:50 pm
MacheteF7 said: ASM 299 vs 300 is in the same boat as Hulk 180 & 181 but obviously 300 is the book that got all the attention. Absolutely. In the history of comic books this is extremely common. Writers would end their book with a cliffhanger/introduction of a new character on the last page so people would want to buy the next issue. Avengers 195/196 first Taskmaster is another example.
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- Posted: November 9, 2020 3:25:41 pm
- For the longest time I thought Wetworks’ first appearance was in Wetworks #1, but there is a short back-up story in WildC.A.T.S. #2, and that short back-up story is considered Wetworks’ first appearance. I think that is a similar situation to what you’re talking about, Tenzil.
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- Posted: November 9, 2020 6:16:00 pm
AmZoMBiE said: as weird as it sounds previews dont constitute as proper 1st appearances...probably because they are not "in story" even though they kinda are...Chew had this issue (released in 2 Walking Dead books prior to Chew release)...
If previews were 1st apps, then those free previews they give out every month would be worth a fortune lol...
that Strange Academy had previews in a bunch of different books not just a couple...
Also the hulk and gambit examples dont necesarily constitute a 1st appearance, but rather 1st FULL appearance in story and not in cameo...though the gambit can be argued with that one too...popularity (value) doesnt = 1st app at times... What Hulk and Gambit examples are you talking about?
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- Posted: November 9, 2020 7:04:52 pm
- Oh yeah, the Gambit one is really interesting. The annual came out first but #266 was supposed to come out before it. That's why in the annual people are talking to Gambit like they already know him (they call him by name). He's in like seven panels interacting with the X-Men so it's definitely not a cameo.
Same thing happened with Virus in Venom. Supposed to first appear in the FCBD issue but because of Covid it got delayed so in the issue of Venom they act like they already know him.
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