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Posted: October 18, 2012 7:20:10 am
Hi. I'm new to this site...pretty awesome! I'm Jerry Hopfer from Johnstown, PA and have an unusual genre that I collect in...20th century intercompany crossovers. I'm not sure how to kick off this thread other than by asking...is there anyone else out there that collects intercompany crossovers also?

I have every one that I know of...but am always looking for anything I may have missed along the way. So far, I have identified (again...just 20th century) 338 intercompany crossovers, 220 alternate covers, 23 trade paperbacks, 10 non-ashcan previews, 9 non-ashcan preview alternate covers, 10 ashcans, 2 ashcan alternate covers, 5 reprints, 2 paperbacks and 1 hardcover...620 intercompany crossover books altogether.

Does anyone want to discuss in this area? If you also research in this area...please reply!

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Posted: October 18, 2012 8:43:15 am
I can't imagine how hard that research could have been, unless there is a database/list somewhere? I can say I've never heard of anyone collecting this specifically, it's actually kind of cool but I have no other input or help Smile
Posted: October 18, 2012 10:47:24 am
Finally! A reply!! Thank you. yes...a LOT of research. When I startd this project in 1996...I knew nothing about any publishers other than DC, Marvel and Archie. I would like to see this thread be anything about intercompany crossovers.
Posted: October 18, 2012 12:42:37 pm
Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you how many intercompay crossover comics I have - still trying to catalog all my comics onto this site, about half done. The only ones I have are between Marvel/DC, Marvel/Image, DC/Image, and some Marvel or DC with Malibu and Dark Horse.

What comic is your earliest intercompany crossover?
Posted: October 18, 2012 12:42:40 pm
Here is a "PS" to my reply, as I was at work when I typed that...and didn't have the time. There is no accurate database for this type of research. I had to read previews cover to cover each month and priceguides...cover to cover. I had to ask a LOT of questions initially, as...prior to 1995 I hadn't bought a comic book since 1970! Sooooo much had changed. I started with DC/Marvel crossovers and...when I thought I'd had all of those decided I wanted every intercompany crossover from all companies. THAT was a can of worms. If I'd known the work (and money) involved in advance, I wouldn't have done it. I'm glad I didn't know, as the collection has given me a lot of satisfaction.

I also collect intercompany crossover promo cards and trading cards, promo and retail posters and misc. promo materials and "stuff." How many people have a Batman/Judge Dredd mobile, Superman/Madman cut out dolls or and unopened Ironman/XO Manowar Heavy metal PC game...or a Lobo/Mask mask?!?

I've had to buy many crossovers that I hated to buy...but had to (because they were crossovers). But...I have a lot that would make some completionists salivate.

So...anything and everything about intercompany crossovers...questions, comments, reviews? I'm working on a book on the topic...and always love ideas and input from fellow collectors.
Posted: October 18, 2012 1:02:21 pm
The earliest intercompany crossover I have is Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man from 1976. Some consider All Star Comics #3 to be the earliest but I'm inclined to disagree. Since all characters were published under the same banner, I consider it more of (what would be considered by modern standards) an intra-company crossover. Also...many believe Marvel Treasury Edition Superman and Spider-Man #28 to be the next one after Supes/Spidey from 1976. However, there were 2 between those...Magazineland USA from 6/77 and Pow! Biff! Pops! from 1978. More on those if there is interest.

Hopefully I'll hear back from you and others!
Posted: October 18, 2012 2:16:03 pm
Interesting. I kinda dig it. I have a few of these i've collected over the years, just form characters that i like.

Don't forget about this classic crossover. (it has 2 covers)

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Posted: October 18, 2012 2:53:16 pm
Maybe this will get you some pretty good info?

Crossover Comix
fsjeter's John Romita Sr Spider Man Covers album on Photobucket
Posted: October 18, 2012 7:38:04 pm
Hey man, that sounds like an awesome collection. Congrats.

Ive always kind of felt the more work that goes into the collection, the more satisfying it is to have. To me, the work is more important than the cost.

Its why I kind of think its more fun to buy a collection and back issues piece by piece for good prices, than to just buy a complete run. More satisfaction when you put it together piece by piece.
Posted: October 18, 2012 7:43:39 pm
That's a cool idea. Are you going to enter them into the database here?
Posted: October 18, 2012 8:50:03 pm
First off, welcome to CBR! Sounds like you have a cool collection going. I have some amalgams which were interesting. I have ASM/gen 13 and ASM/Badrock as well if those count. I may have a couple more but can't remember off the top of my head.
Posted: October 18, 2012 11:00:58 pm
Crossoverking,

I have both the Superman Vs. Amazing Spider-Man 1976 and The Marvel Treasurey Edition 28 too, but have them packed in some box in my basement right now. Know that I have them both, but don't know where they are. Now, I'll have to go looking for them.
Posted: October 19, 2012 7:05:56 am
Wow! Thank you all for all the welcomes and the interest and replies!!! fsjeter...awesome site! I don't know why I never came across it in searches. Possibly because of the spelling of "comix." I already started investigating the listed crossovers. The Archie/TMNT made me do a doubletake...but apparently TMNT was published by Archie comics during that time period...so it would have been an intra-company crossover. I can't wait until I've covered the entire site!

junobench asked if i was planning on entering the collection on this site. I'd love to. I do have several concerns. There are many books not listed and so i'm not sure how time consuming it will be to be typing that information into a forum before I can enter a book. Also...in the case of mega alternate covers (mostly from bad girl intercompany crossovers), there are missing covers...but also the lettering system is different that what I have used. So I'm not sure if this site would want to make that many changes.

To add to ideas of what people can input...in this thread...if there are any completionists that want to know if certain characters were in intercompany crossovers or a list of my alternate covers of a particular crossover...let me know!

I'll close with my most recent find...a book that I was convinced was never published. X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age...the Michael Golden/Richard Bennett cover. I found this book recently on another country's ebay. It is the ONLY copy I have ever seen. The story on my 14 year search on this book will follow if there is any interest.
Posted: October 19, 2012 6:37:35 pm
Id love to hear a 14 year story that has a happy ending. Thats what this site is all about
Posted: October 20, 2012 9:02:25 am
Hey Tex75455!...and anyone else reading. This whole story is a mystery...but EVERY speck of it is TRUE...I swear! Back in May of 1998 The X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age was due out. There were going to be 2 50/50 covers. There was going to be the Broome/Parsons cover and the Golden/Bennett cover.

The day it came out I went to Eides comics (in Pittsburgh, where I was living at the time). They'd only received the Broome/Parsons cover...the one that is on this site and any other site. It is the only cover that can be found ANYWHERE.

Well...I thought, no big deal; I'll call around to a few other shops. Someone will have it. I called all the shops in the Pittsburgh area. None had it. I worked my way out to shops in driving distance...nothing. Then...day trip distance...and finally random calls to shops in Central, Mountain and Pacific areas. NO one had the other cover.

I called Marvel comics and was passed around until I talked to someone who said they couldn't find a file copy of the book, which could (or may not) mean that the book was never printed.

Again...this is ALL true! I got from somewhere (I honestly can't remember where) Michael Golden't number. I called and actually talked to him. He said he'd done his end of the artwork for the book on a napkin at a lunch. I asked if he still had the napkin...he didn't; but he was impressed at my tenacity!

I called Diamond distributors and transfer after transfer...I eventually got a dock worker at Diamond on the line. He told me...that...ALL copies of the X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age Golden/Bennett cover were accidentally shipped to...New Zealand! I found out from international directory assistance that there were 3 comic book stores in New Zealand. Perhaps there were more...bu I was given 3 phone numbers. I called all 3 stores in New Zealand. NONE had received the Golden/Bennett cover! One store manager told me that for all of my trouble...If they got it in he'd send it to me NO charge. I never heard from them.

Over the years I looked for the book on and off. It could be found nowhere. I became convinced that it was never published. Then...about 6 years ago in another comic forum, someone told me it had come out...but only in the German language. I wasn't sure if it was b.s. or not...but it at least gave me something to look for. I don't count foreign language comics in my crossover collection...but that one would be cool to have...just for the cover.

About twice a month I'd do searches using different key words in various orders and various ways in various search engines...you all know the routine. Then...this past September 3rd...on a search...a link to ebay in Austrailia popped up. I clicked on it...no big deal...it'll be yet another dead end.

What I saw in front of me dropped my jaw...dang near dislocated it! There it was....I rubbed my eyes...there it was. I read the description...it said English language...it had a BUY IT NOW offer! OMG!!!

It took a couple of weeks to arrive. I was SURE that the description was probably incorrect and that it was going to be in German. It arrived...it was in English!...printed in the gold ole USA!!!

I don't believe a day has passed since it arrived that I haven't held that book in my hands or, at least...looked at the scan. So...unveiling...especially for any X-Men or WildC.A.T.s or Wolverine completionists...here is the link (since I don't know how to just get the cover in here)...http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200812690599?nma=true&si=6PnMrLk3%2Bnmla2nKHkFrH%2F3BzuU%3D&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2557&orig_cvip=true

My problem now is...price guides have the book valued at about the same amount as the Broome/Parsons cover...but the Golden Bennett cover is so much more rare. This is the only one I've found in the 14+ years since it came out.

Is there anyone out there who can fill me in on getting the value changed???

I hope to hear from some folks in this forum!

Yours in Crossovers!
Jerry
Posted: October 20, 2012 9:30:08 am
Welcome Crossoverking to CBR and thanks for sharing your story. This is definitely something ill keep an eye out for and let you know if I ever see one. I think one of my oddest crossovers in my collection would be the Weasel Guy/ Witchblade crossover.....have that issue?
Posted: October 20, 2012 12:13:45 pm
Hey rpenny88! Thanks for the comment. I couldn't believe...of all crossovers, you had to mention Weasel Guy/Witchblade! That one is one of my stranger stories!

Yes...I have it...plus the 2 alternate covers. BUT...I just had 2 of the the covers for awhile. Whether the "Gold" cover, limited to 500 was solicited in Previews and I missed it or it wasn't solicited...for some reason, I didn't know about it when it came out. I don't even remember how I found out about it. All I know is that when I did...I immediately began my search. I couldn't find it anywhere...not online or in stores. Gawd....does this sound familiar?

Anyway...in the summer of 1999 I happened to be passing through Albany, GA. There was a comic book/sports memorbilia store there...so I stopped in. They didn't have X-Men/WildC.A...don't worry...I won't go back into that again! LOL. Well...there were two sisters that owned this shop...and I'm guessing they were in there mid-50's or possibly into their 60's. I hope not to make enemies in this forum by sounding sexist or for sounding like I stereotype...but...when I asked the one sister if they had Weasel Guy/Witchblade Gold, not only did I fully expect them NOT to have it, but I FULLY expected a blank stare from the sweet dear woman.

Without hesitating she pointed to one of the many room length tables they had that were covered with comic boxes. She said (and this is pretty close to an exact quote) "Under that table...8 rows back, the bottom box...about half way through."

I had to pop a little grin...thinking...this woman is nuts, just wants me out of her white hair. So...I humored her. I went back moved two boxes stacked on top of the bottom box, lifted the lid and started looking at the comics in the front...working my way back. There was NO rhyme or reason that I could see to their system! No alphabetical order by title, publisher...nothing numerical...just misc. comics! After a couple of minutes I heard in back of me, "No No No...I told you half way through!" It was her. I thought...okay humor her some more and jumped to what looked like halfway. I Went a couple books deep...and...OMG...there it was! I still have to smile as I type this. That woman knew her stuff! The book was priced at a ridiculous $25. That woman read me like a book! She KNEW from my look (and I usually have a good poker face) I had to have it. She and her sister wouldn't come down 1 lousy penny! LOL

So...there you go. Again, I hope to keep hearing from other collectors here. Can anyone guess what intercompany crossover I have that I found by calling through a list of 1978 Boston Pops season ticket holders?
Posted: October 21, 2012 8:18:02 pm
Haha, those are both awesome stories. Congrats on the finds man, its good to hear a success story like that.
Posted: October 22, 2012 6:48:12 am
Thanx Tex!
So...I hope to keep this going a little while. Does anyone have any questions or suggestions? Would you like to discuss favorite crossover, crossover cover, worst crossover cover?
Trivia?
What male character was in the most 20th Century intercompany crossovers?
What female character was second?
What was the only hardcover crossover?
What crossover involved the most companies?
Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: October 22, 2012 7:40:54 am
Don't forget to pick up the Dredd/Batman TPB that comes out in November! It collects all of their crossover appearances Whistle
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Posted: October 22, 2012 10:40:09 am
I'm looking forward to the TPB. The Batman/Judge Dredd crossovers were among the best ever done! Anyone out there willing to take a crack at the trivia questions above? I'll give a hint...the same female is involved in the answers to the last 3 questions.
Posted: October 22, 2012 11:00:48 am
Crossoverking said:
Thanx Tex!
So...I hope to keep this going a little while. Does anyone have any questions or suggestions? Would you like to discuss favorite crossover, crossover cover, worst crossover cover?
Trivia?
What male character was in the most 20th Century intercompany crossovers?
What female character was second?
What was the only hardcover crossover?
What crossover involved the most companies?
Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry


What male character was in the most 20th Century intercompany crossovers?
Superman?

What female character was second?
Witchblade?

What was the only hardcover crossover?
Do these count? Laughing
http://www.amazon.com/DC-Marvel-Crossover-Omnibus-Vol/dp/1401232302

What crossover involved the most companies?
Overkill? It has three but that is probably not it Laughing
http://comicbookrealm.com/series/5609/0/top-cow-overkill-mini
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Posted: October 22, 2012 12:48:00 pm
What's your most valuable crossover according to the guide here? Is there any not in the guide that are worth more?

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Posted: October 22, 2012 2:29:26 pm
Thanx for the interest! I'm on lunch..so..will try to be quick!
puinno...Supes isn't it...nor Witchblade. The collection is 20th Century intercompany crossovers...so #3 and #4 are incorrect. Another hint on #4...to my best accounting...33 publishers had characters in one...yes...one crossover.
junobeach...Not sure of the most valuable crossover I have according to the priceguides. I have several that aren't listed in guides. Pow! Biff! Pops!, according to Comics Buyers Guide, there are 6 known copies. It was Kurt Busiek's 1st published work...among others. I guesstimate that at worth $3-5,000. Also My Crow/Razor Kill the Pain #0, red velvet cover with silver embossing...there may be only one copy...mine.
Thats another story if anyone wants to hear it.
Posted: October 22, 2012 3:40:35 pm
What crossover involved the most companies?
War Of The Independents Think
Posted: October 22, 2012 4:02:07 pm
glh08...great to hear from someone else! I promise that I'll answer all 4 trivia questions. I want to give it a day or so to see if anyone else wants to take a crack at them. Unless...there is a tremendous outcry for answers...then...you people will break me sooner...LOL.

Another question to add onto the others? What intercompany crossover with 5 covers (main and 4 alternates) was were produced as 5 phone cards...one for each cover?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: October 23, 2012 10:43:29 am
Hey just saw this on the bleeding cool and though how suiting to this thread.....not sure if Crossoverking is going to purchase this one though......Whistle

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/23/superman-vs-spider-man-xxx-porn-parody-swipes-from-the-original/

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Posted: October 23, 2012 7:04:16 pm
glh08...Great try! Again. My questions pertain to 20th Century intercompany crossovers. Wrong answer...but, your answer is actually VERY close to the title of the correct answer; a 20th Century intercompany crossover that 33 publishers had characters involved.

rpenny88...OMG! I can honestly say I've never seen a parody quite like that one! That video, of course is 21st Century. Now...I do have a few 21st Century items in my 20th Century crossover collection. For instance, the Batman/Spawn statue...because it just looks too AWESOME with my huge Batman/Spawn War Devil poster from 1994. Also Superman vs Terminator started in 12/99 and so I counted issues 2-4 as 20th Century, as they were continuations of a 20th Century crossover. There are a couple of others like that.

Also, I have the Alex Ross poster rendition of Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man that I display alongside a promo poster that I have for the original comic.

And no...I won't say if the parody video is a must have for my collection...LOL
Posted: October 25, 2012 7:19:21 am
Okay...I'll blink. Batman was in more 20th Century intercompany crossovers than any other character. Shi was the top female character and second, overall. Cyblade/Shi The Battle for Independents had the most publishers involved...and Grifter/Shi was the only hardcover intercompany crossover book published in the 20th Century. I'll leave the phone card question out there for now.

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Posted: October 28, 2012 8:57:17 am
I'll blink on the final trivia question as well, now. The crossover that had 5 covers that were depicted on phone cards was Painkiller Jane VS The Darkness in 1997. I hope to hear from some folks. We can take this tread in several different directions. Intercompany Crossovers are a significant part of comic book history. There have been crossovers that some character completionists may not even be aware of.

If you have anything to offer...or ask...you know where to find me.
Posted: November 2, 2012 6:20:33 am
I posted this story in another thread...but, since it pertains to this category, thought I'd post it here for those who didn't see it elsewhere. I thought it even more appropriate to post the story again...for those who are going crazy trying to find all of the Marvel variant covers right now!

I've been out of the loop on what comics are out there now and what is trending. Most of my research and collecting are now done from home, since my main area of collecting is 20th Century books.

I have to say I was SHOCKED that the variants were still out of control...in fact, MORE out of control than in the 1990s! It is the variants that forced me to make my cutoff for my intercompany crossover collection at the end of 1999. Specifically, the bad girl crossovers that were coming out with ruby red, gold and omg, the infamous royal blue (limited to 100 copies) foil covers. I couldn't financially keep up with them anymore!

I just want to offer a little hope in this madness. In my small collection, I have many books that I thought at one time or other I would never find or be able to afford, if I did find them. I few years back, while playing around on comicspriceguide.com, I noticed a cover for Creed/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that I somehow missed when it came out in 1996...the subscriber hybred edition. It showed that it was limited to just 500 copies at the time. I did a LOT of online searching, phone calls, more searching. I was bothered to find out that Lightning Comics had long since folded up tent. I was able to get email addresses for Joseph and Steve Zyskowski, who had owned Lightning. Steve revealed in an email that there were 200...not 500 actually printed. He had an extra copy that he (tongue firmly planted in cheek) generously offered for a mere $500. Joe was good enough to offer his copy for that same generous amount. I kept calling shoips...asking for help and found a shop in Michigan where a guy new a guy who new a guy...I got it for $10 shipping, handling...everything.

I found a (6 known copies) Pow! Biff! Pops! when most stores and dealers were telling me it was an urban legand. It isn't now...but in 1996...people thought it was something that Kurt Busiek just made up! I recently found a Badrock/Wolverine ashcan that was limited to 500 copies and MOST recently, X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age, Michael Golden and Richard Bennett cover that I had long since been convinced was NEVER published.

We, as collectors (and especially us completionists) have been there before...and found that gem...must have book.

If you're chasing after ASM #700 or Avengers Vs X-Men alt covers...good hunting!

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Posted: November 10, 2012 9:03:24 am
I wrote the following in the Justice League of America #1 has 52 variants thread and wanted to post it here also.

I commented on the number of variants in another thread...and blasted Marvel. Now...I'll blast DC. This is nuts! I have to say that I'm glad I don't actively collect anything that is out now. I love Justice League and have a modest collection. I actually have Justice League of America #1, as I also collect comic books with chess covers.

I'm 57 years old. I stopped buying comic books in 1970 at the age of 15. In 1995 I walked into a comic book store because I'd heard that DC and Marvel were going to be starting a series with battles between Supes and Hulk and Batman and Captain America...battles my brother and I debated on as kids!

From there...I found out about earlier DC/Marvel comics and decided to collect all DC/Marvel crossovers. When I had what I thought were all of those, I decided to collect ALL intercompany crossovers!

I soon learned about variant covers. They didn't have those when I was a kid. I'll never forget...it was when I noticed the Razor And Shi Special (platinum edition). Remember...I still knew next to NOTHING about comic books between 1970 and 1995! I was in Eides comics in Pittsburgh. When I asked an employee why there was a different cover than the one I already had...he smiled. He explained about variant covers and told me to forget it, that I didn't want to get into that...it would be just a can of worms.

I put the book back and went home. I had a restless night. How could I forget that there was a crossover out there with a cover I didn't have. How could I just collect the main cover and NOT get the other covers. I realized I knew so little that I might buy a variant when I learned about a prior crossover, thinking it was the main cover...and then never buy the main cover! My brain hurt!!!

I decided I had to have ALL intercompany crossovers and ALL their variant covers. That was the only way to be sure I had EVERYTHING.

Jim...at Eides...was right. It WAS a can of worms!!!

What is nuts is...as crazy as it was trying to get them all...I see the current situation, with ASM #700, Avengers Vs X-Men and Justice League, etc., etc...as insane. Prior to 2000, there were two intercompany crossovers with 8 total covers each. That was the most EVER for crossovers! Also...there were two that had 7 total covers each.

It was alternate covers that forced me to cut my collection off at 12/99. I can see the day when someone tells me they have a comic book collection. I say to them, "Cool! What do you collect? How many books do you have?" And they say..."I have about 2000 books...actually...1 comic book...and 1,999 alternate covers!!!"

In case you're holding your breath wandering what the crossovers were that I referred to above...Pandora/Razor and Razor: The Ravening had 8 total covers each and Hellina/Double Impact and Vampirella Crossover Gallery had 7 total covers each! That was ALOT of covers back then. It gives new meaning to the phrase "the Good Old Days."
Posted: November 10, 2012 9:34:47 am
Oh those bad girls!
Posted: November 13, 2012 12:58:34 pm
Do you collect Crossovers between US and UK Comics? Mainly the UK Version?
I have in my collection 2 Judge Dredd and Batman large size UK crossovers.
Posted: November 14, 2012 6:12:55 am
hush77hush...thanks for the question! The Batman/Judge Dredd crossovers that I have are:
Batman/Judge Dredd Judgement on Gotham DC/Egmont Fleetway 1991
Batman/Judge Dredd Vendetta in Gotham DC/Egmont Fleetway 1993
Batman/Judge Dredd The Ultimate Riddle DC/Egmont Fleetway 1995
Batman/Judge Dredd Die Laughing 1 DC/Egmont Fleetway 1998
Batman/Judge Dredd Die Laughing 2 DC/Egmont Fleetway 1998

Are any of these the same as what you have? The Bats/Dredd crossovers are among the best ever done with great artwork and storylines...and 2 of the hardest headed heros around! Also, I collect misc. crossover "stuff" and one of my favorite items in my misc. category is a Batman/Judge Dredd mobile that stores were sent to hang up to promote the series.
Posted: November 14, 2012 7:19:21 am
Crossoverking said:
hush77hush...thanks for the question! The Batman/Judge Dredd crossovers that I have are:
Batman/Judge Dredd Judgement on Gotham DC/Egmont Fleetway 1991
Batman/Judge Dredd Vendetta in Gotham DC/Egmont Fleetway 1993
Batman/Judge Dredd The Ultimate Riddle DC/Egmont Fleetway 1995
Batman/Judge Dredd Die Laughing 1 DC/Egmont Fleetway 1998
Batman/Judge Dredd Die Laughing 2 DC/Egmont Fleetway 1998

Are any of these the same as what you have? The Bats/Dredd crossovers are among the best ever done with great artwork and storylines...and 2 of the hardest headed heros around! Also, I collect misc. crossover "stuff" and one of my favorite items in my misc. category is a Batman/Judge Dredd mobile that stores were sent to hang up to promote the series.


I am not sure which one they are will have to dig them out and have a look. I have the Vendetta and Judgment in the US comic book size format but I Prefer the larger UK comic book format the size make the artwork look amazing.
Were there many US/UK inter-company crossovers?
Posted: November 14, 2012 2:17:14 pm
I'd love to see a larger size edition. Are they treasury size? I did a quick search. I don't know of any other UK publisher/US publisher intercompany crossover. Perhaps that could be a a whole new genre for someone.....inter country intercompany crossovers!
Posted: November 14, 2012 2:44:08 pm
The Pow! Biff! Pops! issue is one of my prized possessions too. I actually got mine from Kurt Busiek himself. I had emailed him a few times, and he new he had the book, but couldn't find it. Then one night I returned home from a Christmas party and had an email from him that his wife had found it. It was the most painful week or two waiting for it to arrive...but it did. Since then, I have personal knowledge of roughly a half dozen copies of the book. One friend has had 3 of them. I would guess there are likely a dozen copies out there.

My buddy has one of his extras up for sale right now at Heritage...

http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7066&lotNo=91370
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Posted: November 15, 2012 3:15:40 am
Crossoverking said:
I'd love to see a larger size edition. Are they treasury size? I did a quick search. I don't know of any other UK publisher/US publisher intercompany crossover. Perhaps that could be a a whole new genre for someone.....inter country intercompany crossovers!


I'm not to sure what that size is will try and find an image of it or a comic in the same size.
There has got to be a Dennis the Menace crossover somewhere the UK and US Denis's in one comic.

Have just checked the size of them in google and the are 30cm by 25cm in size and one of the ones i have is called the Ultimate Riddle.

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Posted: November 15, 2012 7:57:05 am
Hey all! Thanks for the posts. af15...I'm still fairly new here and don't know a lot of folks. May I guess that your first name is Todd?

Yes...Pow! Biff! Pops! is a prize and a half. Thank you for the link to the auction. I'm VERY surprised that it went for so little. I'm guessing it would go for at least triple that amount on ebay.

I was shocked that a site as prestigious as Heritage Auctions would be incorrect on the date of the Pow! Biff! [i]Pops!. The listing (and you in this forum) stated that the book was published in 1977. In fact, the book was sold at the opening night of the Boston Pops 1978 season...Tuesday May 28, 1978 (the concert started at 8PM). The evening was billed as Comic Heroes Night and...believe it or not...Biff/Bam Bananas were on the menu for intermission snacks!

Along with my copy, I have a copies of the menu and program and many other related materials. I only wish I'd been there!
Posted: November 15, 2012 11:56:55 am
Crossoverking said:
Hey all! Thanks for the posts. af15...I'm still fairly new here and don't know a lot of folks. May I guess that your first name is Todd?


Nope. Not Todd. I'm Andrew, but Todd is a good friend and the one who has had several Pow Biffs over time and has the copy on Heritage right now. In fact, the $450 was the online bidding price and the live auction occurs today. I'm anxious to see what it goes for.
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Posted: November 16, 2012 6:55:22 am
Well...at least it was a good guess! I thank you for your input into this thread. The Pow! Biff! Pops! is the prize of my intercompany crossover collection. I have another book in my crossover collection that, if you're a completist (and don't already have it)...you'll want it!

Do you have a book called Magazineland USA? It is a MUST have for a Spidey collector...and, incidentally...the 2nd intercompany crossover (after Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man).

I have another book. Its not a crossover. Sensational Spider-Man #23. It was a giveaway alternate cover at a Kansas City Chiefs game If you have the book...and are interested in just a little more...I have a press release from DC that went to sports writers concerning the comic.

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Posted: November 16, 2012 11:32:03 am
The Magazineland issue has a great cover with so many characters on it. I picked one up several years ago. The Sensation #23 is also a really nice simple cover. Seeing the press release on that one would be fun.
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Posted: November 17, 2012 6:26:05 am
Yes...Magazineland USA has an awesome cover. It was a cool concept, having the various superheros working in a comic book company! I'll never forget when I found it. I was at a Mid-Ohio Con and it was in a long box. I was just looking for crossovers that I'd never heard of...and there it was...with Supes, Spidey and Casper the Ghost and the rest!

How does one not look excited to a dealer...while holding a book with Superman, Casper, Tarzan, Jughead, et al on the cover and asking them to knock $10 off the price. How does one keep a totally straight face...the first day of the show nonetheless!?!?

Well...he knocked $5 off and i couldn't look in another box until I got the book to the nearest table to get a longer look!
Posted: November 19, 2012 10:59:46 am
I found a box with lots of crossover "stuff" I'd been looking for on Saturday. In it was a comic I'd bought (I can't remember where or when) and put aside to decide whether to include it as an intercompany crossover. It is Lethargic Comics #14 with Lethargic Lad and Cerebus both on the cover that was done by Dave Sim. Cerebus isn't IN the comic book...just on the cover...but also listed in the indicia. Here is a link to the cover:
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.aspx?FDSo4yyowMw7p%2f1V4r%2fJJ3tr4FCeYRjstTn75%2fGpGLycn5ANDGASCO9IyvG5wV17DHV5fz5Ofp7p9EpueMl2FA%3d%3d

What does everyone think? This is the only instance I've come across like this and would like some input.

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Posted: November 24, 2012 10:47:55 am
I've been working on my book and thought I'd take a break for some "fun" writing. I'm still hoping for some input on the inclusion (or exclusion) of the Lethargic Comics #14 previously mentioned.

Also, I'd LOVE some input on the subtitle for my book! The book is going to be titled Crossover Crazy! I have been struggling over the subtitle. I don't want it overly lengthy but I want it to describe what the book is about. The ultimate descriptive subtitle would be: A History and Collector's Guide to Intercompany Crossover Comics, Cards and Posters. But I feel that is just too long...almost sounding like a 19th century textbook.

You guys are experts! There are possibly more true comic book expers that hang out here than any other site. What do you think? Suggestions, comments...all welcome.

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Posted: November 24, 2012 2:20:32 pm
Hey Jerry.

Robert here from work lol. I have been thinking about that book since you showed me that day. With it being the cover art it is inter company crossover there however you make a good point as he is not in the book. It is in the Indicia where the most correct info would be. Example is if you want to be sure what year of publication or what issue the indicia is it. Being that cover art and indicia match in my mind I think you should include as a intercompany crossover. Just my 2 cents but let me know what you decide on


Crossoverking said:
I found a box with lots of crossover "stuff" I'd been looking for on Saturday. In it was a comic I'd bought (I can't remember where or when) and put aside to decide whether to include it as an intercompany crossover. It is Lethargic Comics #14 with Lethargic Lad and Cerebus both on the cover that was done by Dave Sim. Cerebus isn't IN the comic book...just on the cover...but also listed in the indicia. Here is a link to the cover:
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.aspx?FDSo4yyowMw7p%2f1V4r%2fJJ3tr4FCeYRjstTn75%2fGpGLycn5ANDGASCO9IyvG5wV17DHV5fz5Ofp7p9EpueMl2FA%3d%3d

What does everyone think? This is the only instance I've come across like this and would like some input.
Posted: November 24, 2012 2:24:06 pm
The sub title you are looking at would be fitting as that collection and book is huge lol. possible ( A historic guide to Intercompany crossover comic memorabilia). Again just another though. let me know what you think


Crossoverking said:
I've been working on my book and thought I'd take a break for some "fun" writing. I'm still hoping for some input on the inclusion (or exclusion) of the Lethargic Comics #14 previously mentioned.

Also, I'd LOVE some input on the subtitle for my book! The book is going to be titled Crossover Crazy! I have been struggling over the subtitle. I don't want it overly lengthy but I want it to describe what the book is about. The ultimate descriptive subtitle would be: A History and Collector's Guide to Intercompany Crossover Comics, Cards and Posters. But I feel that is just too long...almost sounding like a 19th century textbook.

You guys are experts! There are possibly more true comic book expers that hang out here than any other site. What do you think? Suggestions, comments...all welcome.
Posted: November 25, 2012 7:21:52 am
Robert...great to hear from you! I thought you were already a member here...sooooo, WELCOME to CBR!!!
Your subtitle has potential...at least it is more succinct then mine! As far as the Lethargic Lad #14 and the subtitle to my book, I hope to have more input...from other members also. But you got the ball rolling...so a BIG thanx!
Posted: November 25, 2012 10:15:18 am
Are there many examples you know of where the crossover is initially an inter-company crossover but later due to some acquisitions there is an intra-company crossover? And do you bother to get these as they're now only intra?

As for a subtitle....I like what was proposed by wildwolf83.

Crossover Crazy! A Guide to Collecting Inter-Company Comic Books.
Posted: November 25, 2012 10:33:29 am
Me and Jerry had a discussion just fri that kinda relates to the inter then intra crossovers. There was a tmnt/savage dragon crossover. I forget the year Jerry your spot there lol. However Image then later printed the tmnt series for awile as well so then a book was written with tmnt/ savage dragon that was a intra company crossover. Im not sure if there are many like this however im sure it does happen in some cases.


rpenny88 said:
Are there many examples you know of where the crossover is initially an inter-company crossover but later due to some acquisitions there is an intra-company crossover? And do you bother to get these as they're now only intra?

As for a subtitle....I like what was proposed by wildwolf83.

Crossover Crazy! A Guide to Collecting Inter-Company Comic Books.
Posted: November 25, 2012 10:34:47 am
Yes I have been a member here just have not been really active in the fourms till now. Working on other things Smile. Had to get into the conversion it seems to be going good direction


Crossoverking said:
Robert...great to hear from you! I thought you were already a member here...sooooo, WELCOME to CBR!!!
Your subtitle has potential...at least it is more succinct then mine! As far as the Lethargic Lad #14 and the subtitle to my book, I hope to have more input...from other members also. But you got the ball rolling...so a BIG thanx!
Posted: November 26, 2012 6:30:55 am
Hey all! rpenny88...I can't believe that of all questions...you ask one that was directly related to a conversaion I had with wildwolf...this previous Friday. Wildwolf83 already pretty much answered the question...but, just to expand on it a little..there aren't a lot if instances where what had at once been an intercompany crossover team up, would later be intracompany if they teamed up again. The example that wildwolf83 and I were discussing was the Savage Dragon/TMNT intercompany crossovers of early 90's. At that time...they were Image and Mirage respectively. From 1996-97 Image published TMNT and they crossed over with Savage Dragon in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #10. It was one I didn't have to buy as it was (at that time) an intracompany crossover. Later intracompany crossovers (like Superman/Gen 13 in 2000, if they'd occurred earlier (before DC bought Wildstorm) would have been intercompany crossovers...but that never happened.

Also...rpenny88...I just may like how you kept the word Crossover out of your suggested subtitle. It makes some sense in that Crossover is in the main title...and it does shorten the overall title! Thanks to BOTH rpenny88 and wildwolf83!

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Posted: November 26, 2012 9:38:17 am
Hey crossover,

I've recently got back into comics and ended up finding a paperback (I think) Tomb Raider/Witchblade crossover item. It wasn't the best, since I'm unfamiliar with the Witchblade series, but I enjoyed the read.

What crossovers would you recommend for new people getting into them, besides the Dredd/Batman ones?
Posted: November 26, 2012 2:40:05 pm
Hey edb87! Thank you for writing! I never got the Tomb Raider/Witchblade as I considered it intracompany with it being Top Cow/Image at the time. As far as good intercompany crossover reads...here are a few of my favorites: Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel Treasury Edition #28 Superman and Spider-Man, all of the old Batman/Judge Dredds, all of the Batman/Predators, Predator/Magnus Robot Fighter, Batman/Grendel, Batman/Spawn, Spawn #10...and, wow, well...that should keep you for awile!

There are MANY other good ones...and some bad ones. But MANY more good than bad. I hope to hear back from you again.

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Posted: November 27, 2012 6:42:28 am
Crossoverking said:
Hey edb87! Thank you for writing! I never got the Tomb Raider/Witchblade as I considered it intracompany with it being Top Cow/Image at the time. As far as good intercompany crossover reads...here are a few of my favorites: Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel Treasury Edition #28 Superman and Spider-Man, all of the old Batman/Judge Dredds, all of the Batman/Predators, Predator/Magnus Robot Fighter, Batman/Grendel, Batman/Spawn, Spawn #10...and, wow, well...that should keep you for awile!

There are MANY other good ones...and some bad ones. But MANY more good than bad. I hope to hear back from you again.


Oh, forgot to mention I grabbed a mint copy of Batman/Spawn for about 50 cents a few weeks ago. Good stuff. I remember having that one as a kid.

Thanks for your input. I'll keep my eye out for those!
Posted: November 27, 2012 7:57:36 am
Hey...yet again edb87! Yes...Batman/Spawn is awesome. Also, the cover is among my all-time favorites. Other favorite crossover covers are Spider-Man and Batman, my absolute favorite crossover cover. It is a raised cover and has a great 3D effect! DC Versus Marvel #1 is one of my favorites due to sentimental value. It was that comic that got me started on my crossover collection. My wife (a Shi fan) hates it...but I LOVE the Lethargic Comics #12 cover. Batman/Captain America is a great cover AND an AWESOME story! Superman/Madman Hullabaloo #1 is way up there for crossover covers and stories. X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age (Golden, Bennett cover) is awesome. I may be a little biased since it took me so long to find.
Posted: November 30, 2012 2:21:02 pm
Hey all...been working on the book...but thought I'd put a trivia question out there for anyone interested.
What town hosted a Halloween parade that inspired the greatest DC/Marvel wannabe intercompany crossover prior to Superman Vs The Amazing Spiderman?
Posted: December 23, 2012 9:05:55 pm
Hey Jerry you know me and my turtles lol came across these books that I had not seen before.

Usagi Yojimbo #10
With Leonardo of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ( I think Usagi was published by Fantagraphics Books which did not publish TMNT so far as I know)

Miami Mice #4
With Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Cerebus

Never heard of Miami mice before. My understanding is that it is a parody of the tv show miami vice lol. At any rate not sure if these are intercompany or not. Figured I would throw them pit to you and see what you think
Posted: December 26, 2012 6:40:29 am
Great to hear from you! I hope you and your family had a wonderful Christmas. I have the Usagi Yojimbo. Yes...it is a bonafide intercompany crossover. The Miami Mice...I'm 99.9% I investigated that one in the late 1990s and all appearances in the book are parody...and not crossover. If you run across a copy, I'd like to see the indicia...but, again...I'm certain I've checked that one out already.
Posted: December 26, 2012 7:14:54 am
ya it is parody so that why I wasnt sure if i get a copy will let you know. Christmas was good for the kids and all after i got out of work. I was sick the last two days and today so that sucked.
Posted: January 7, 2013 7:18:11 am
Hi wildwolf. I'll probably see you later today but wanted to have this in here for the record. I may have been wrong about Miami Mice #4! Yesterday I was working on the chapter on 1980's intercompany crossovers. Your question about the book came to mind and I decided to give the scan another look. At the bottom of he cover it says, "This issue features Kevin Eastman, Peter Laird and Dave Sim!!!" How could I have missed that? I'm still certain I checked the book out in the late 1990's...but, well...I don't know.

I ordered a copy yesterday and will be anxious to see it. My goal is that this book, Crossover Crazy! be the definitive work on intercompany crossovers. If Miami Mice #4 is an intercompany crossover...you helped me toward my goal.

On a different and final note...did you know about Grimjack #26 from Firs Comics 10/86?
Posted: January 7, 2013 7:29:46 am
Well glad to be of help I have not ordered a copy of miami mice yet but will be one of those have to have cause its turtles in it lol. I have heard of grimjack but have not seen one in person. The book you have is huge and lots of detail so no doubt it will be of use to lots of people.
Posted: January 12, 2013 11:10:14 am
Well, my Miami Mice #4 came in. It is indeed an intercompany crossover! There is some great interaction between the TMNT and Cerebus. Thanx again and I hope you'r e feeling better REAL soon Robert!
Posted: January 24, 2013 8:04:44 am
Crossoverking said:
Hi. I'm new to this site...pretty awesome! I'm Jerry Hopfer from Johnstown, PA and have an unusual genre that I collect in...20th century intercompany crossovers. I'm not sure how to kick off this thread other than by asking...is there anyone else out there that collects intercompany crossovers also?

I have every one that I know of...but am always looking for anything I may have missed along the way. So far, I have identified (again...just 20th century) 338 intercompany crossovers, 220 alternate covers, 23 trade paperbacks, 10 non-ashcan previews, 9 non-ashcan preview alternate covers, 10 ashcans, 2 ashcan alternate covers, 5 reprints, 2 paperbacks and 1 hardcover...620 intercompany crossover books altogether.

Does anyone want to discuss in this area? If you also research in this area...please reply!


Wow those numbers are way higher than i would have thought. Did not think companies would get together that often and collaborate on such. I might be using a rather narrow interpretation of companies. Nice info. Sorry i cant help you though. Not a big fan of inter-company crossovers never mind between companies.
Posted: January 25, 2013 7:04:59 am
Hi captaincaveman...and welcome to the site!
Yes...those numbers are higher than I ever anticipated they'd be. I've said before that if I'd known at the time how much time and money would be involved, I never would have done it. I also say...I'm glad I didn't know! The thing that still amazes me is, even with the amount of research I've done...I still find books I'd missed along the way. Just since this past August I've "found" three intercompany crossovers: X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age...the Michael Golden/Richard Bennett cover, Lethargic Comics #14 and Miami Mice #4.
The X-Men WildC.A.T.s Golden/Bennett cover...I was 100% convinced had never been published. I was actually going to state in my book that it was NEVER published...just an urban legend. After a 14 year search...I found it just in time! The Lethargic Comics...I bought somewhere and put it away so I could decide later if it was an intercompany crossover or not...and forgot all about it until it re-surfaced a couple months ago. The Miami Mice...a co-worker who is into TMNT asked me about it. I (ass)umed is was parody...until I ordered a copy and found that it WAS a crossover!
All this time...all the research, writing a book on the topic...and still finding "stuff" I've missed! It gets discouraging...but also spurs me on.
As egocentric as it may sound...I honestly feel that no one knows more than I in this area of collecting, which includes intercompany previews, ashcans, comics, alternate covers, paperbacks, trade paperbacks, promo cards, trading cards, promo and retail posters, misc., etc.
When I make a discovery...or someone out there discovers something for me and brings it to my attention...I feel like such a putz! I could I have missed that??? So...while writing my book, I constantly walk a tight rope balanced by ego at one end and humiliation at the other.
The book will be done fairly soon. I hope to find a publisher...and I hope it will be accepted as an historically necessary book and an aid to collectors for years into the future.
AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FIND ANY MISTAKES AND MAKE ME FEEL LIKE A PUTZ!
Posted: January 25, 2013 7:14:43 am
Hey Jerry there are many out there and no list that I know of so research will be necessary. You have a large collection of intercompany crossovers and the collection is amazing in person. Missing one here and there happens with that many hidden books. The MIami mice is hard because of how it looks. I was happy to help, didnt me to make you feel like a putz lol. also be thankful that you stopped at 1999 there are so many more now esp varient covers lol
Posted: January 26, 2013 7:25:22 am
Hi Robert! Perhaps I should have worded things a little differently. You didn't make me feel like a putz. It is me that makes me feel like a putz! There must be other collectors out there who know what I'm talking about. There are probably members of this site who inwardly feel that they know more in a particular area of collecting than ANYONE else...completists who believe they have everything by a particular artist or writer...or every appearance of a certain character or team. And then...they find out about something they missed...after thousands of hours of search and research, checking, double and triple checking. Its that wow...how could I have missed it (I'm a putz) feeling.

There are some areas in my collection I assume I have missed some items in. I have 625 promo cards and trading cards that are intercompany crossover. I would guess there is a fair chance there is a card out there that I never heard about out of the bagillions of cards produced.

I have somewhere between 110-120 intercompany crossover promo and retail posters. In this area...I'm certain there were posters that I never saw. Promo posters go up in stores and when the comic is done...they come down. Some get thrown out. Some given to kids, who hang them on their walls until Mom takes them down and pitches them. I'm sure there were some in the 1980's and early to mid-1990's (before I started collecting them) that may be lost to history. Though...I DO have a mint promo poster for Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man from 1976!

I look at the wikipedia list of intercompany crossovers and think..."What a joke!" There are MANY books listed as intercompany crossovers that are in fact Intracompany. There are many many many that aren't listed. Its like anyone can get onto wiki and be recognized as an expert. Recently I accidentally discovered that there have actually been three books published on intercompany crossovers by different companies and all three simply use the materials from wikipedia. This was a disappointment to me, as I thought that I would be coming out with the first book ever on intercompany crossovers.

My point to all of this...I'm close to finishing the book...and I want it to be perfect. But, from past experience...I know the odds are that isn't possible. If the book is published, I hope it is at least judged as damn-near perfect! I want ME to be the only one to think I'm a putz!
Posted: January 26, 2013 9:23:02 am
I can understand what you mean and Ive been there with my collection in the past. As I say you can never stop learning unless you close your mind to something. It is a sham thinking about the history lost to a poster or comic getting thrown away, however in the end that is also something that raises interest and as collectors something that make the hunt for an item worth it. This of finding that poster that was limited in the first place now say a 1/3 or more get tossed. now finding that piece makes it so much more fun.

As for wiki yes anyone thinks they are a expert lol. as for the books if you really look at it you are correct it may not be the first book, however it will be the first that was researched past Wikipedia. I have seen the list on there as well and I agree the list is laughable.
Posted: January 26, 2013 10:53:35 am
I refuse to buy crossovers as I used to but then decided when I got back into collecting that I would not lose focus on what I was buying. I am tempted now to go back and buy some Spidy cross overs that I enjoyed that connected to ASM (Kraven's Last Hunt) etc.
Posted: January 26, 2013 5:07:29 pm
My favorite Spidey crossovers are Marvel Treasury Edition #28 Superman and Spider-Man from 1981 and Spider-Man and Batman from 9/95.
Posted: January 26, 2013 6:39:51 pm
I have both Spider-Man and Batmans but I never read the Superman and Spider-Man which I probably should have already since I call myself a Spider-Man fan.
Posted: January 27, 2013 7:55:45 am
T give you additional incentive...Superman battles Hulk in that one and Spidey battles Wonder Woman!
Posted: March 4, 2013 5:22:57 pm
Hey Jerry just got in a batch of TMNT books and found a savage dragon (1993) #2 that is savage dragon vs TMNT. Intresting to come across it put in a pile of others. I have all the other savage dragon TMNT but did not have this one. This was image for savage dragon and mirage for TMNT at the time I believe. It is a nice book. Didnt know if you had it in your savage dragon/TMNT or not. At any rate have a good one and hows the book coming
Posted: March 6, 2013 3:30:26 am
Crossoverking said:
I'd love to see a larger size edition. Are they treasury size? I did a quick search. I don't know of any other UK publisher/US publisher intercompany crossover. Perhaps that could be a a whole new genre for someone.....inter country intercompany crossovers!


sorry it took so long to dig this out but here ya go one UK sized pages.
Image

Image
Posted: March 6, 2013 6:57:46 am
Wow...its been awhile since I've written in this thread. wildwolf83...you gave me another scare! I have so many covers, I just couldn't remember until I got home (I read your post while at work). I have the Savage Dragon #2. Here are the four Savage/Dragon/TMNT intercompany crossovers:
Title Issue Publishers Date
Savage Dragon 2 Image/Mirage 7/93
Savage Dragon/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 Mirage/Image 9/93
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Savage Dragon 1 Mirage/Image 8/95
Savage Dragon 22 Image/Mirage 9/95
hush77hush...those scans look like they could be treasury sized, but it is hard to tell when they're not beside something to compare in size. Thank you for the scans. Also...maybe you can help me out. I'm somewhat of a computer idiot in some areas. I have read in other forums on how to post a scan in a forum...but it seems like everyone who offers help STILL talks (types) over my head!
Can you assume I'm mentally challenged and need a blow by blow description on how to post a flipping scan here. I had another thread that I started and wanted to post my cover scan of my X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age Golden/Bennett cover there and in here.
Posted: March 6, 2013 7:38:14 am
Image

The Judge Dredd Batman crossover is the same size as the 2000AD comic on the right.The comic on the left is a standard size marvel US comic
Posted: March 10, 2013 8:56:09 pm
You know many people are thinking that Superior is basically cross over of Amazing. Any chance you will be buying that?
Posted: March 11, 2013 6:50:30 am
Actually, no. I won't be collecting Superior. I do believe it will be basically an intracompany crossover, but I only collect 20th century intercompany crossovers. That is...crossovers that involve two or more companies.

Incidentally...I discovered another one this past Saturday (3/9) while working on my book! That is the 4th one I've added just since this past September!
Posted: March 25, 2013 5:52:55 pm
Robert...are you out there? I was doing some cross-referencing for the book and reminded myself of a TMNT appearance in Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck #1 from 11/96. Wanted to let you know here in case I forgot to tell you in person.
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Posted: March 27, 2013 6:21:46 pm

Hey Jerry I had not heard of this book. I have the savage dragon/tmnt crossover with them both on the cover. However I do no have this one I will have to look for it thanks for the tip

Crossoverking said:
Robert...are you out there? I was doing some cross-referencing for the book and reminded myself of a TMNT appearance in Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck #1 from 11/96. Wanted to let you know here in case I forgot to tell you in person.

Posted: March 28, 2013 6:52:23 am
There are several Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck comics on ebay right now. There are two that are under $2 "Buy it now."
Posted: May 16, 2013 7:30:47 am
Hi all. I thought I'd check in...in this thread. What i'm looking for, I may need to start a new thread. I've rounded the corner on my book! What has kept me occupied the last several weeks is cross referencing. I'm cross referencing the characters in all the 20th Century intercompany crossovers...with all of the books themselves! That is about 330 crossovers times the characters in all of those books!

I wasn't initially going to mess with that, but...in the end...thought that the cross reference will be invaluable to any completist who needs every appearance of a particular character.

While still working on the book, I'm getting close enough to the end to start to fantasize about whether a publisher will want it. Of course...its my baby. I think it will be a MUST have on any comic book historian or completist bookcase. I also understand that I'm bias.

Here is the table of contents I've been working from. The chapters in bold are the completed chapters:

Crossover Crazy!
A Guide to Intercompany Comics,
Cards, Posters and More

1) What is a Crossover?
2} The 1st Intercompany Crossover...
...DC Vs Gold Key?
3) Why Collect Crossovers?
(A Delayed Introduction)
4) Superman vs. Who???
The Dawn of the Age of Crossovers
5) Ooops...
...The Forgotten Crossovers!
6) The 1980’s
The Aardvark and Turtle Soup
7) Into the 1990’s
Batty over Crossovers
8 ) Deathmate
The Birth of the Mega Crossovers
9) A Woman Scorned!
The Bad Girls
10) Mid 1990’s
A Snowball Downhill
11) DC Versus Marvel
The Crossover of the Century!
12) The Avalanche!
13) The Year of the Mega Crossover:
1997
14) And the Beat Goes On...
...Chris Yambar, King of the
Small Indy Crossovers
15) Bad Girls...Worse Girls
Closing out the 20th Century
16) 20th Century
Intercompany Crossover List
17) Crossover Cover Gallery
18 ) Crossover Cross Reference
19) Misc. Crossover Books and Mags
20) Crossover Trading cards
21) Poster Mania!
22) Misc. Crossover Collectables
23) Into the 21st Century
24) “...if Hulk were dating Peppermint Patty”
Ending This Book With A “Big Bang!”

For some reason...the eights in chapters eight and eighteen are showing up a happy faces...LOL. I have no idea what that is about.

Anyway, is this something that may interest you...the comic book collector/expert?
Posted: May 16, 2013 8:53:41 am
The code for this Cool is 8 ) without the space
"Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"

Posted: May 16, 2013 10:48:04 am
LOL...okay. Learn something everyday! I'll keep it the way it was...so these posts don't look confusing. Also, all of the chapter headings (in this thread) appear bold. So, for clarification...I've completed up through chapter 17 and am currently working on chapter 18.

I was thinking of starting a thread to see if there are any book publishers that are members of the CBR. In any case, I'd love to know if there is an interest in a work like this among the general membership.

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Posted: May 31, 2013 8:32:09 am
Hey all!
Maybe I should have put this in the find-of-the-day thread...but...I found another X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age (William Golden & Richard Bennett cover)! After searching 14 years for one, I've found two within 9 months!!!
This one...I'm going to shop around. I know there must be an X-Men or a Wolverine completest that will want this BAD.
Posted: August 5, 2013 9:50:59 pm
Hey Jerry long time no speak lol. So I was going thru some comics at a shop and came across a catwomen/vampirella crossover. It was from 96 it was dc/harris comics. It made me think of all the vamp stuff you had. The copy was signed by jim Balent The owner didnt want to let it go lol. Hope all is well for you and how is the book coming?
Posted: August 5, 2013 10:54:57 pm
Very awesome
Check out my website!

www.bamcomicsandsuch.com
Posted: August 6, 2013 2:25:28 pm
Hey Robert!
Good to hear from you. I hope all is well with you and your family. I've taken a short break from the book. My brain was fried. I want to get back to it VERY soon. I'd love to have you over...perhaps to take pics of the posters, etc.! There is really only a couple months more work to do on it.

Hi Batman1908. I hope you enjoy this thread. Any comments or questions are welcome. I love when people write into this. It keeps my juices flowing.
Posted: August 6, 2013 3:03:40 pm
im doing ok still having some issue but working thru them. Im working out of the house so im open most times just let me know whens a good time. We do need to get the pics done for the posters. Trish is on my facebook you can always msg me on there or give me a call. I have some new batman cars as well lol
Posted: August 7, 2013 7:48:52 am
Hi Robert,
I'll call you soon. I think getting the pics done will get my butt moving again on the book!
Posted: November 6, 2013 6:18:04 pm
Is this book still in the works? Will it cover the first intercompany crossover to involve a Marvel character from the early 1960s, Brazil's Almanaque do o Globo Juvenil 1964? There's a great article about it here. It was reprinted in English translation in Alter Ego vol. 3 #52-60.
Posted: February 11, 2014 2:03:05 pm
Hi Plaristes!

Thank you for the question and info. I was not aware of the Captain Marvel/Human Torch team up! I read the article...very interesting. For a couple of reasons I wouldn't count that team up in my collection. Captain Marvel wasn't in a comic book at the time. Also...it is all I can do to keep on top of crossovers published in the USA...let alone from all over the world.

I'm going to see if I can fit mention of the book in one of my early chapters. Again thank you. I'm sorry it took so long to get back with you.

My wife was in the hospital in November and then again in December. Then...on Christmas...I wasn't feeling so good. I went back to bed at 11:30 AM on Christmas and woke up at 3:00 AM Dec 26. I was SICK. Trish took me to the hospital...104 fever. Influenza A and pneumonia. I nearly died and was in the hospital for 28 days. Doctors told me they weren't sure for awhile.

Well...I'm home, back to work and back to work on the book.

I hope to hear from some of you here.

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: February 12, 2014 3:41:20 pm
Shocked Wow, I'm so sorry to hear about your illness, but I'm glad you're okay now. Smile

Your book sounds very interesting, so I'll definitely want to read it once it's published. Smile In case you're interested, you might like checking out this thread that I created over at the Complete Marvel Reading Order's forum. It's focused only on crossovers with Marvel characters, but you might still find it interesting, particularly since it includes some very obscure crossover stories in Conan the Barbarian, Dark Shadows, and especially the last issue of The Adventures of the X-Men.
Posted: February 17, 2014 7:11:04 am
Hey Plaristes!

You certainly gave me a LOT to read, research and ponder! Its obvious your research is extensive. We do differ in defining what an intercompany is and is not. I don't differentiate between "616" and otherwise. Also...I cover all publishers "mingling" with all other publishers.

Here are a few paragraphs from my book.

"An intercompany crossover is a comic book in which two or more characters from two or more universes (publishers) appear within the same storyline. It must be a legal crossover. In other words, the appearance of the characters within the story must have been agreed upon by all parties who own rights to those characters.
This can easily be verified in the indicia of the publication. If it is not, it may be mentioned elsewhere in the book as a special “Thank you” by the publisher to the good folks who agreed to allow their character or characters to be used.
Out of the hundreds of crossovers that have been produced, there are only a couple of exceptions to the above rule . These exceptions will be duly noted as they crop up within these pages."


Using this guide, I have identified approx. 620 books which involve 338 20th Century intercompany crossover stories. See page 1 of this thread for a more complete breakdown.

Thank you again for all of your input!

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: February 17, 2014 12:00:53 pm
Ah, so you're not interested in stuff like Captain America's appearance in Questar's Jeannie stories? Or in cases in which a crossover was retroactively made official (like Marvel retroactively deeming the Willow and Lorelei characters in JLA and Scorpio Rose to have been crossover appearances of Mantis, or accepting after the fact the FF appearance in Superman #50)?
Posted: February 18, 2014 6:01:01 pm
Hey Plaristes,

No...I count only what is an intercompany crossover at the time. You and I differ mainly in two different areas. Your definition seems to be much broader and more flexible. Mine is more rigid. I've tried to keep things pretty much to what is within the indicia.

This is perhaps out of necessity, as I am dealing with all publishers and their characters, while you are concentrating on strictly Marvel intercompany crossovers.

Also, how could a history on intercompany crossovers be written if a year, 2 years or ten years down the line...publishers can change the history by saying, "Oh...by the way in Whatchamacallit #13 in 1992, an uncredited face in the crowd in a certain panel was from another publisher who now accepts the book as having an intercompany appearance.

My goal is to attempt to define the history in intercompany crossovers...not leave it open for publishers to change the history.

Haven't publishers done enough to confuse their history and confound their fans?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: February 18, 2014 9:20:05 pm
I completely understand, and I'm not trying to argue. Crossovers can get very complicated very quickly, so it makes perfect sense to try to limit the topic in various ways. I limited myself to just Marvel, since I was posting in the forums for the Complete Marvel Reading Order. But of course there are lots of other crossovers that are just as worthy of attention (just look at all the crossovers Witchblade and Vampirella have had!).

A question: are you going to take account of crossovers that don't involve a specific character? I'm thinking of all the appearances Aliens and Predators have made with other company's characters (e.g., Superman, Judge Dredd; and don't forget Superman's meeting with the Terminators!).

As a side note, I know you're narrowing your focus to crossovers published in the US, but I thought I'd point out two published elsewhere in case you weren't aware of them, since they're kinda interesting:
1) Earth 74425 (also sometimes called Earth-Baravelli): link.
2) I just discovered this one today. According to here and here, the X-Men character Unus appeared in the 15th issue of the Brazilian comic series Raio Negro (Black Lightning). Very Happy
Posted: February 19, 2014 3:53:17 pm
Hey!

Actually, I consider Aliens, Predator and Terminator to be characters...so yes, I count those. The Batman/Predator intercompany crossovers were ALL awesome!

Also, I count any and all alternate covers. There were so many in the 1990's that never ended up in price guides. I've identified over 200 alternate covers. The book will also include intercompany promo cards and trading cards and promo and retail posters and misc. intercompany crossover "stuff."

The links you in included look interesting...especially the first one!

Also...I don't envy the task you have of keeping on top of everything within your definition of crossovers! Its obvious that you're a comic book scholar/historian!

Posted: February 24, 2014 5:57:43 pm
I'm definitely looking forward to your book. :-) And I agree that the first Batman/Predator crossover was amazing! The others were okay, but not quite at its level, I thought.

I just remembered another obscure crossover comic published outside the US, titled The Totally Stonking, Surprisingly Educational and Utterly Mindboggling Comic Relief Comic (link). It was an officially licensed comic containing work by a number of big names. You can see scans of a couple pages here. I know it's outside the scope of your book, but I think it's still interesting.
Posted: February 27, 2014 7:29:56 pm
Wow!

You just keep coming up with tremendous eye candy! The Comic Relief Comic...I actually lost some sleep over! I want to include it...but just can't. It would open up a new can of worms. I will try to fit mention of it into my book. I just wish it wasn't published in the UK!!!
Posted: February 27, 2014 11:01:39 pm
I wish it had a higher print run, because I really want a copy of the Comic Relief Comic for my own collection, but so far it's pretty hard to find copies for sale for a reasonable amount. Sad
Posted: February 28, 2014 5:39:32 pm
I don't dare look for it until the book is finished! I get so caught up In looking...it's ridiculous! I own every 20th Century intercompany crossover I know about...so I've done some pretty extensive searches for books that I found out about...and then had to have. If you haven't already...read through the entire thread for some stories on my searches.

One book...an alternate cover...I was just about to write in my book that it was an urban legend, never published. I'd looked for it for 14 years!!! I knew that if it had been published, it would have had a large print run. Yet, after 14 years...no trace. It was X-Men/WildC.A.T.s Dark Age, the Golden and Bennett cover. I've now found 2 of them in the last 18 months!

There is a more extensive accounting of this earlier in the thread. Well...back to work on the book!

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: March 16, 2014 3:36:05 pm
I just learned of another foreign crossover. I know it falls outside the parameters of your book, but I thought I'd point it out anyway since it's cool! Smile

In 2000, the long-running French comic Special-Zembla #152-153 featured an appearance of the fairly obscure Marvel alien character initially called the "Infant Terrible" way back in Fantastic Four vol. 1 #24 (1964). Interestingly, Marvel has acknowledged this appearance and declared it official/canonical in their 1960s handbook (link). If you're interested, there's a bit more info on this at http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/infanttr.htm. Cool
Posted: March 18, 2014 7:59:16 pm
How in the world do you find these books? You should be writing a book, yourself! If we got the books published at the same time, we could go on a "Dueling Crossovers" tour!

Thank you again for the information. Do you own most of the foreign titles that you locate in the course of your research?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: March 19, 2014 2:36:03 pm
I wish I owned all of these books! The foreign ones can be hard to find, at least from a seller I trust. I've looked around a little bit, but I haven't found copies of Special-Zembla, the Comic Relief Comic, or Raio Negro that are from reputable sellers for amounts I'm willing to pay. Sad
Posted: March 19, 2014 2:40:57 pm
Oh, I forgot to ask earlier: are you going to cover this crossover in your book, or does it's unofficial status (although confirmed by the writer) rule it out for you?
Posted: March 20, 2014 7:48:22 am
That one is VERY close. I have one that I counted that was done under similar (but not identical) circumstances. Without spending hours and hours on research...I guess what eliminates it is that Graylin does not say her name. If she is not in the indicia...it is difficult to include as an intercompant\y crossover.

On another note...I got yet another surprise yesterday. Mind you...the book a almost finished. Yet...14 years after the fact, I stumbled across an alternate cover I didn't know about! It was Sharky #1, the so called 1,000,000 variant cover. Why it is nicknamed the "1,000,000" variant, I have no idea.

I had to change things in no less than 5 different places! Since I MUST have every intercompany crossover that I know about...I immediately had to have a copy and found one at milehigh.

Will my work NEVER be done?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: March 23, 2014 12:09:50 pm
cool that's a good idea! hope you complete itSmile
Posted: March 29, 2014 8:35:07 am
Thank you. I've put literally thousands of hours into my research...and searching for books. I own every 20th Century intercompany crossover that I know of. I realize I'll never be able to say that I have them all or know that I know of all of them.

If I find a publisher, I just want collectors, store owners and dealers to look at it a say..."WOW! How did he assemble all of this?"

I want people to think that it is the most complete work ever done in a complicated collecting genre.
Posted: March 29, 2014 12:12:19 pm
I'm sure I'll think that. I hope you do find a publisher, since I really want to read it. Very Happy
Posted: March 30, 2014 10:08:54 pm
Well...I know at least 2 buyers...you and I!!!

BTW...I completed my cross referencing today! That is 340 20th Century intercompany crossovers cross referenced by titles and characters! It took me MONTHS to do...108 pages at 8 point type!

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: June 11, 2014 3:24:16 pm
Making progress on the book? Smile

I just learned of something that's sort of a crossover. The entirely in-universe Marvel Westerns: Outlaw Files directly references three stories from another publisher. Back in the 50s, Magazine Enterprises published dozens of stories about Rex Fury, who lived in the old west and dressed in a white costume to scare his opponents. He called himself the Ghost Rider. This character has since lapsed into the public domain. His name and look were later recycled by Marvel in the 60s to create their character also called the Ghost Rider (later renamed the Night Rider, and again later as the Phantom Rider). Anyway, the Outlaw Files sort of creates a retroactive crossover by incorporating ME's Ghost Rider character into the Marvel 616 universe. The stories directly referenced:

Tim Holt #31c (Aug-Sep 1952); "The Green Men from Horro!"
The Ghost Rider #10a (Dec 1952); "Ghost Rider vs Frankenstein!"
The Ghost Rider #13a (Jul-Aug 1953); "The Ghost Ants of San Pedro!"

Related, I also was recently informed that the Marvel Knights handbook from 2005 includes an entry for Nick Fury. That entry says that one of his "alleged" ancestors was a man in the old west named Rex Fury who was "one of the men" who wore the Phantom Rider costume.

I doubt this really fits the criteria for your book, but I found it interesting. Cool
Posted: June 11, 2014 5:15:34 pm
Sorry if this have been said but... Are searching only for marvel/DC crossovers? In any case there are the Fallen Angel issues where Shi guest stars, and the mini series with Illyria (or whatever her name is).
Posted: June 11, 2014 5:18:31 pm
Crossoverking is looking for any crossovers published in the US prior to 2000 from any company.
Posted: June 16, 2014 2:11:17 pm
Plaristes,
You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge and the depth of your research! I suspect you're correct in that the books don't quite fit the criteria of my definition for intercompany crossovers. However, I'll be researching these between now and the end of the book.

Also...you are correct that I only actively collect 20th Century intercompany crossovers. The book will actually cover 21st Cetury intercompany crossovers also.

This actually leads me to a trivia question i'll throw out for all of the people who read this thread each and every day...first thing when they get home at night!

What recent intercompany crossover comic is actually a continuation of the first intercompany crossover meeting between superheroes?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry

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Posted: June 16, 2014 3:43:30 pm
Hmm, I don't know the answer to that question. It's definitely got me curious, though. Smile

On a different note, I don't recall if I mentioned this possible crossover or not (forgive me if I did). Is this Dr. Strange/Dark Shadows crossover a candidate for your project? Link I'm not sure if it is, since the crossover doesn't actually happen in a single issue, but it's interesting nevertheless.
Posted: June 26, 2014 2:30:50 pm
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It doesn't appear to be an intercompany crossover by my definition. Also, from my trivia question...the first meeting between comic book superheros didn't necessarily take place in a comic book...but was recently continued in a comic book! Tell me when you want no more clues!!!
Posted: June 26, 2014 4:04:26 pm
Wow, I have no idea!
Posted: June 26, 2014 6:07:03 pm
Got to go with Batman and the Green Hornet. Their TV shows from the 1960s crossed over. A lot of non-comic book people forget the Bruce Lee played Kato.

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Posted: June 26, 2014 6:52:45 pm
Is that really the first superhero crossover, though? The Timely Human Torch met Fawcett's Captain Marvel in 1963, which I believe predates those 60s shows.
Posted: June 27, 2014 4:04:15 pm
Well...yes, the answer was the Batman/Green Hornet crossover on the TV show. Now,,,I'm hoping to not feel dumb over this. The Human Torch/Captain Marvel meeting. Can you tell me what book that was in? Were one or both credited in the indicia? Were either or BOTH with a specific (seperate) publisher at the time? I'm at work on a quick break and can't really research it.

I'm wondering how I could have missed that...if it indeed fits into my criteria.

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: June 27, 2014 4:53:07 pm
I've mentioned it before, and you said you wouldn't cover it because it was published in Brazil. The issue in which the crossover occurred was Almanaque do o Globo Juvenil 1964 (published in 1963, I believe). It was reprinted in English translation in Alter Ego vol. 3 #52-60.

I don't know about the indicia, since I don't have a copy of the original, just the English translation issues. The publisher was Rio Gráfica e Editora, which at the time had the licenses in Brazil to republish both Timely/Atlas material as well as Fawcett's material. They also published original stories of the characters they licensed (apparently they did a bunch of Captain Marvel stories that are unique to Brazil). They eventually decided it would be fun to have the Torch and Captain Marvel appear in the same story. As was customary for intercompany crossovers until the 90s, it is a "shared Earth" crossover, rather than a story in which they are from different Earths and somehow one hops dimensions/realities to meet the other.
Posted: June 28, 2014 6:56:15 am
omg! So...there I was, at work on break, sick as a dog. I thought it sounded familiar. I was thinking it was maybe something I researched 10 years ago! I was SO glad you reminded me that YOU were the one that researched it!

Yes...I wouldn't count it since it was published in Brazil. eeeesch...certainly glad i don't have to research it!

Also, I failed to thank the Bobarian for contributing to the thread with your correct guess.

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: June 28, 2014 6:46:51 pm
It just occurred to me to wonder if the Torch/Capt. Marvel crossover actually does fit your criteria for the book. After all, it was printed in the U.S. It appeared in Alter Ego vol. 3 #52-60. Sure, it was printed in Brazil first, but it did have a U.S. release.
Posted: June 29, 2014 2:43:30 pm
You Sir...are keeping me on my toes...LOL! Okay...here is my "ruling" for lack of a better word. Since Captain Marvel was not with Fawcett at the time and one company had publishing rights to both characters, I think it would be intracompany at best. Also, even though there was an English translation...it was just that...a translation.

If I begin to count English translations of foreign comics...the book will either:
A) Never get done...or...
B) be at least 10 times the size!

Thanks again for all of your interest!

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: June 29, 2014 2:53:54 pm
That makes sense. You've gotta have some boundaries to keep the project manageable. Smile
Posted: July 1, 2014 7:40:34 am
This has been more massive than I ever thought it would be. Also...I recently came across some research that I'd done several years ago and must sift through it.

Even with my meat and potatoes definition for intercompany crossovers, there are more than a few instances where I had to seriously debate in my head as to whether to count something or not.

You seem to have done a HUGE amount of research. Have YOU ever debated writing a book?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: July 1, 2014 12:15:26 pm
I'm actually working on a book proposal right now, but it's not about crossovers (although there are a couple that would be covered). I won't say what the topic is until I've submitted the proposal and it's been either accepted or rejected. Whistle
Posted: July 1, 2014 2:07:15 pm
Thats fantastic! Have you been published previously?
Posted: July 1, 2014 3:53:42 pm
Not in anything having to do with any fandom. I do have three articles in professional philosophy and theology journals, though.
Posted: July 2, 2014 5:44:50 am
Most of my cross over are from Marvel and DC i think i got them all there some i have also from Malibu Comics have 3 series Batman vs Predator (DC/Dark Horse) one Superman vs Aliens (DC Dark Horse) i know there been one from Marvel/Image ComicsAnyhow kind of hard to follow all those wish you good luck with that Applause
Posted: July 2, 2014 5:49:51 am
And BTW try this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercompany_crossover i think most of them are there Smile
Posted: July 2, 2014 10:41:28 am
Hi Eric,

Thank you for your interest! Also, for the reference to wiki. I'm very familiar with that list, as I've been researching intercompany crossovers since 1995.

Keep in mind to be very careful with wiki when researching anything. It is a great online tool to be used with other sources. My favorite online sources are Comicbook Realm, of course, Comicbook Resources, Comic Vine and Comicspriceguide.com.

You sound pretty interested in intercompany crossovers, so I hope you will read this entire thread! Maybe I'll get you hooked...LOL

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: July 14, 2014 4:55:24 pm
Do you have this as a crossover?

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/162/
"Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"

Posted: July 14, 2014 5:39:25 pm
Canuck...great hearing from you!

I'm familiar with that DC/Marvel connection and actually reference it in my book. It was close...but no cigar as far as being technically an intercompany crossover. There were more than a few of those in the early 1970's, which actually fed the fire leading up to Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man.
Posted: July 14, 2014 10:16:43 pm
Yeah, I would classify that as in the same category as those 70s Rutland Halloween stories: not technically an intercompany crossover, but interesting nonetheless.
Posted: July 17, 2014 11:19:52 am
I've going around and around with a guy on facebook who counts a lot books like that for continuity.
Posted: July 17, 2014 6:12:20 pm
Crossoverking said:
Hi Eric,Thank you for your interest! Also, for the reference to wiki. I'm very familiar with that list, as I've been researching intercompany crossovers since 1995.Keep in mind to be very careful with wiki when researching anything. It is a great online tool to be used with other sources. My favorite online sources are Comicbook Realm, of course, Comicbook Resources, Comic Vine and Comicspriceguide.com.You sound pretty interested in intercompany crossovers, so I hope you will read this entire thread! Maybe I'll get you hooked...LOLYours in Crossovers,Jerry


Have you tried the Comic Book Database site? ... http://comicbookdb.com/
Posted: July 18, 2014 2:42:51 pm
Yes. That is a good site also. It still has many of the problems that most online databases suffer, i.e. incorrect titles, books that never came out, incorrect &/or incomplete listings of alternate covers, etc. I have used most major online sources, as well as Previews and Overstreet's for my research. Also...MANY, MANY comic store owners, dealers, hard core collectors. I'll never say my list is 100% complete. But, i would bet my collection in a New York minute that it is the most complete list anywhere in the world of 20th Century intercompany crossovers...by my definition. In a nutshell that is when 2 or more companies combine for a special issue or mini-series that includes characters from both or all publishers.
Posted: August 8, 2014 3:31:46 am
Not sure about the factuality of these unlicensed crossovers between DC and Marvel but I thought you might find them interesting if you did not already know about them. Here's the link - http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-unlicensed-crossovers-hidden-in-famous-comics/
Posted: August 8, 2014 3:38:10 pm
I know this doesn't count as an intercompany crossover by your rules, but I had to chuckle at this article today: My Little Pony/Quantum Leap. Razz
Posted: August 9, 2014 5:57:15 am
Thank both of you for the links!

Bobarian...yes I was familiar with those, but VERY much enjoyed the article. I always like reading someone else's take. I cover a couple of those in my book.

Plaristes...where do you find these things? I loved it. It certainly begs to be included!
Posted: August 24, 2014 9:51:41 am
Hey all. Just taking a break from the book. When I started physically writing Crossover Crazy! (11/12), I NEVER thought it would take this long! One thing that did add to the time factor is my cross reference. I hadn't originally planned on doing a cross reference. Then, over a year ago...it started bugging me. If I was a publisher, looking at what I envisioned as the final product, I would probably think...wow! This is a LOT of work, never been done before. Jerry Hopfer is a genius! Okay...I just threw that last part in because I wanted to see it! What bugged me is I could imagine a publisher saying, "Okay, this is all fine and good...but how does a collector know in which crossover his/her favorite character appears?" I couldn't get around that. I had to cross reference 341 intercompany crossovers. It held me up over a year. The result 108 pages on 8½x11 with just an 8 point font size.

That is done and now I'm working on the chapter on intercompany crossover trading cards and promo cards...much more fun than the cross referencing was.

On a final note...I dodged a HUGE bullet a few weeks ago. I stumbled on a book that I believed for years had never been published (and had indicated as such in the book). It is the ashcan for Flaming Carrot #25 from 1991. Flaming Carrot #25-27 is a great Flaming Carrot/TMNT intercompany crossover. I owned the ashcans to issues 26 and 27 already. In the ashcan for Flaming Carrot #26, Bob Burden apologizes for not getting the ashcan out for #25. I'm thinking now that he may have been simply talking about missing a deadline. So...I bought it and again own every 20th Century intercompany crossover that I know of.

To me, it was a major find. There could be nothing worse than stating in Crossover Crazy! that a particular book was never published...when it was.

Posted: August 24, 2014 10:55:22 am
Wow, great catch! How long do you expect your break to take? I hope it's not too long, since I really want to read it! Very Happy
Posted: August 24, 2014 1:28:20 pm
Actually, the break was just a quick break to type my update! I'm active on the book. After this...back to writing about the Painkiller Jane VS The Darkness calling card set from 1997. Every self-respecting collector should own a set! LOL
Posted: September 30, 2014 4:36:22 pm
Thank you to whomever was the 10,000th person to look at the thread!!!
Posted: September 30, 2014 5:35:01 pm
I believe you've said you're covering 21st century crossovers as well, even though you don't collect them. When is the deadline for when something has to be published in order to be covered? For example, will you cover the upcoming Star Trek/Planet of the Apes series?
Posted: October 5, 2014 3:02:19 am
Hey Plaristes!

Yes...I'll be covering Star Trek/Planet of the Apes. I think that is going yo be a good one!
Posted: October 5, 2014 2:33:12 pm
Cool! I assume you'll also cover the Star Trek/Legion of Superheroes series from a few years ago. IDW's "Infestation" crossover doesn't qualify for inclusion, though, right?
Posted: October 7, 2014 2:21:09 pm
Hey!

I've not devoted a lot of time to 21st Century intercompany crossovers. At this moment...just from a quick glance, it appears that Infestation is an intracompany crossover. I'll devote more time on making sure on those books and others when I get to that chapter...which should be by December.
Posted: October 9, 2014 11:36:41 am
I had to laugh when I saw this news. I hope it makes it into the book. :-P
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2014/10/09/archie-meets-predator-comic-book-exclusive/16954799/
Posted: October 11, 2014 7:16:33 am
LOL...yes, that should make the book as well. It gave me a flashback to when I first made the decision to collect EVERY intercompany crossover.

It was March 1996. I had collected (what I thought was) every DC/Marval intercompany crossover. I hadn't yet heard of Pow! Biff! Pops! or Magazineland USA. I asked a clerk at the LCS about how many intercompany crossovers from other companies could there have been? He estimated 50. So, I thought, well thats it. I'll collect all intercompany crossovers.

The first book he went to was Archie Meets the Punisher. I was horrified! I thought, I'll have to collect comics like this? I debated several minutes and thought, where else do I go? I went ahead and bought it, along with several other non-DC/Marvel intercompany crossovers that day.

The crazy thing is...Archie/Punisher was actually a VERY good book!
Posted: October 15, 2014 3:52:37 pm
Here's another upcoming crossover: http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1480/conan-and-red-sonja. Very Happy
Posted: October 16, 2014 8:42:55 pm
Hi, just stumbled onto this thread. I'm a huge fan (and occasional collector) of crossovers as well—not just in comics but in all fictional media. I also love easter eggs (which I'm guessing is beyond your scope of interest).
Here are some xover issues you may or may not be aware of:
Both Ultraforce/Avengers and Normalman-Megaton Man Special have tons of cameos beyond just the title characters. Also lots of characters in Savage Dragon #41 and Munden's Bar Annual #2.
Perhaps the most obscure xover I can think of is Equine the Uncivilized #6.
Also, here are a few links you may be interested in:
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/o/omnimap.htm
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/category/comic-book-six-degrees/
http://www.crossoveruniverse.com
Definitely looking forward to your book.
P.S. Hi, Plaristes — it didn't take me very long to figure out who you were. Laughing
Posted: October 16, 2014 9:47:24 pm
Glad you're here, zuckyd1. Smile Yeah, it should be pretty obvious to you who I am. Laughing
Posted: October 22, 2014 7:45:29 am
zuckyd1...Thank you for writing into the thread! It's always great to meet someone else who is enthusiastic about intercompany crossovers! I'm sorry it took so long to reply...but I've been away from the computer.

I'll be off tomorrow (Thursday) and will read everything from the links you posted. That should get my juices flowing before I get to work on the book.

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: October 22, 2014 11:05:42 am
This is a "PS" to my previous post...zuckyd1,
I'm already aware of 4 of the 5 comics that you mentioned. Perhaps you can save me some time on research on Equine the Uncivilized #6. I have no idea if it is an intercompany crossover by my definition. Can you tell me what publishers have characters in the book and if the "visiting" characters are an authorized appearance?
Posted: October 23, 2014 3:24:03 pm
PPS:


Nilson Groundthumper and Hermy from Usagi Yojimbo appear on one of the pages of Equine the Uncivilized #6. Can anyone tell me if they are credited in the indicia? Or...perhaps, was there a "Thank you" or acknowledgement on the inside front cover or elsewhere that Stan Sakai penciled the cameo?
Posted: November 1, 2014 7:37:10 pm
Equine the Uncivilized #6 was published by Graphxpress in July 1989. The guest characters are drawn by their actual creators and are credited in the inside front cover. They are as follows:
Stinz Lowhard, created by Donna Barr (published by Fantagraphics)
Botswana Bison, created by Darin Davis (published by Graphxpress)
Panda Khan, created by Dave Garcia (published by Abacus Press)
Captain Jack, created by Mike Kazaleh (published by Fantagraphics)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, created by Eastman and Laird (published by Mirage)
Crow of the Bear Clan, created by Ed Luena (published by Blackthorne)
characters by Ken and Beth Mitchroney (I'm not clear which ones)
Usagi Yojimbo and Nielson Groundthumper, created by Stan Sakai (published by Fantagraphics)
characters by John Speidel (likewise unsure of which ones, but most of his work seems to be for Graphxpress)
characters by Marc Schirmeister (again, not sure)
Duncan & Mallory, created by Mel. White (published by Starblaze)
Rufus the Red, created by Monika Livingstone (published by Thoughts and Images)
Posted: November 2, 2014 2:26:48 pm
Thank you for responding! There was an amazing timeline to all of this. I first read your post on 10/22. I researched the book on 10/23. I suspected it may be a crossover (by my definition). I found only one site that had the book for sale...Mile High...a NM for $20. I thought...I'll give it a day or so

On 10/24...Mile High put the same NM copy on ebay for $8. I grabbed it. The book came in 10/31. If it is a NM...I'm the Pope! I researched all of the characters yesterday (11/1). I updated my book and references yesterday and today.

It amazes me. After all of these years...I honestly believe that NO one had devoted more time to identifying intercompany crossovers as I. The book is nearly finished...yet, someone can see the thread for the first time...and name a crossover I missed!

It gets discouraging...but I'm glad you mentioned Equine! It makes the book that much more complete.

Here is the latest update on what I've identified in 20th Century intercompany crossovers: 342 intercompany crossovers, 218 alternate covers, 22 trade paperbacks, 11 ashcans, 2 ashcan alternate covers, 12 non-ashcan previews, 9 preview alternate covers, 6 reprints, 2 paperbacks and 1 hardcover!
Posted: November 27, 2014 10:23:59 am
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Posted: January 14, 2015 1:30:55 pm
WCook....Here is the list I promised you:

All Access #1
All Access #2
Badrock/Wolverine #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #4
Deathblow and Wolverine #1
Deathblow and Wolverine #2
Devil’s Reign #3
Devil’s Reign #4
Devil’s Reign #5
Devil’s Reign #6
Dream Team #1
Gen 13 #13c
Iron Man (WW3 #3) Vol. 2 #13
MARVEL AND DC Present The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #2
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #3
Silver Surfer/Superman #1
Team X/Team 7
Unlimited Access #2
WildC.A.T.S/X-Men Golden Age #1
WildC.A.T.S/X-Men Modern Age #1
X-Men/WildC.A.T.S Dark Age #1
X-Patrol #1

Yours in Crossovers!
Posted: January 14, 2015 1:38:41 pm
Crossoverking said:
WCook....Here is the list I promised you:

All Access #1
All Access #2
Badrock/Wolverine #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #4
Deathblow and Wolverine #1
Deathblow and Wolverine #2
Devil’s Reign #3
Devil’s Reign #4
Devil’s Reign #5
Devil’s Reign #6
Dream Team #1
Gen 13 #13c
Iron Man (WW3 #3) Vol. 2 #13
MARVEL AND DC Present The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #2
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #3
Silver Surfer/Superman #1
Team X/Team 7
Unlimited Access #2
WildC.A.T.S/X-Men Golden Age #1
WildC.A.T.S/X-Men Modern Age #1
X-Men/WildC.A.T.S Dark Age #1
X-Patrol #1

Yours in Crossovers!


Thank you! I have some of those! But this list is just what I needed! Smile!!!
Posted: January 30, 2015 3:43:21 pm
Just in case this hasn't been posted before - Sorry, I didn't check - here's another "unofficial crossover between Marvel and DC in the mid-1970s ... http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/2008/07/which-came-first-the-crusaders-orthe-crusaders.html
Posted: February 3, 2015 2:18:35 pm
Hey...Stranger!

Thank you for the link, That's a good article!!
Posted: March 21, 2015 5:35:12 pm
I realize that you don't include unofficial crossovers, but I just learned that the Amazing Spider-Man entry in the 1966 Marvel Mini-book line is a crossover with Superman (link), so I thought I'd mention it. I thought it's kinda funny how Superman is basically portrayed as a thief. Razz

Speaking of unofficial Spidey/Supes crossovers, have you seen this from 4/30/2006? I just learned of it and had to chuckle.

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Posted: March 23, 2015 10:44:11 am
Hey...thanks for writing!

The article in the link was fantastic! Also...the page you depicted...from 4/30/2006...where in the world is that from?

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: March 24, 2015 2:31:35 am
I've never seen the strip that Piaristes posted before but my guess is it would have to be from the newspaper Spider-Man strip. Very cute!
Tenzil
Posted: March 24, 2015 7:47:31 am
Thats what I was figuring. I love it! I've gotta get me one of those!!! Actually, I'd love to have the mini-book from the link, also. Technically, neither is an official intercompany crossover...but they're so unique, I'd love to have them for my collection.

Yours in Crossovers,
Jerry
Posted: April 4, 2015 2:48:01 pm
Sorry it took me so long to reply. Yep, that was from the Spidey newspaper strip, published 4/30/2006. :-)
Posted: April 4, 2015 3:06:50 pm
I'm going to have to find an "original" of that strip for my collection. Though, it isn't an officially sanctioned intercompany crossover...it comes as close as it can come without being one! Plus...its COOL!!!
Posted: April 12, 2015 1:14:36 pm
Here's an interesting crossover I hadn't heard of before: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/04/10/comic-book-legends-revealed-518/3/
Posted: April 14, 2015 2:23:26 pm
Wow...how do you find these cool things? Well...I checked it out. It appears that there was no Garfield comic book in 1992. So...it is close but no cigar. But I love it.Thank you!
Posted: April 14, 2015 3:18:25 pm
That link was posted at another site I frequent. Smile

In any case, I'm not sure I understand your comment. Garfield was being published in 1992. It's a long-running comic strip. The story in question is a crossover between the Turtles and the Garfield comic strip, and it was clearly officially sanctioned, since Jim Davis, the Garfield strip writer, was also the writer for the crossover, and since it was published in the official Turtles magazine, it was clearly sanctioned by the Turtles creators, too. This seems to be a textbook example of an official intercompany crossover comic. Is the problem merely that Garfield was a crossover comic strip rather than comic book? I don't see why that should matter, since those are just two variations of comic formats (that would be like objecting to, say, an official crossover between the Silver Surfer and the Cryptkeeper in an issue of Epic Illustrated because that's a comic magazine rather than a comic book [just to be clear, there is no such crossover story, at least that I know of Razz]).

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Posted: April 15, 2015 7:07:18 am
Well, you pretty much hit on it. I was not objecting to it having been published in a comics magazine...but...my specialty (and book) is on intercompany crossover comic books, which involves comic book characters. I consider the TMNT/Garfield piece to be an intermedia crossover. If there were a Garfield comic book at the time, I would have no problem with it whatsoever.

Again...thank you for all of your contributions. There are many people who look at intercompany crossovers in bagillions of ways. Your discoveries serve not only me (as I love investigating)...but others who have other ideas of what an intercompany crossover is or should be.
Posted: April 15, 2015 11:22:57 am
Fair enough. After I submitted my last post I realized that I'm not even sure what would count as an intercompany crossover for comic strips. Would the "company" be counted as the newspaper syndicate? What if, for example, both the Spider-man and a Superman strip were published by the same syndicate, and they had a crossover tale? It wouldn't seem right to say that that wouldn't be an intercompany crossover. But then I really have no idea what the criterion should be.
Posted: April 16, 2015 6:32:48 pm
Just came across two more very obscure crossovers that I'm not sure you know about:
http://18thwall.com/2015/02/16/the-horror-crossover-encyclopedia-quest-for-dreams-lost-1/
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Quest_For_Dreams_Lost
http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2010/02/quest-for-dreams-lost-1.html
Posted: April 18, 2015 11:00:21 am
Sorry it took me so long to reply. Plaristes...you should write a book on intersyndicate crossovers. It looks too confusing to me!

zuckyd1...I'm looking into that book, but it appears that it is a collection of individual stories as apposed to characters from seperate publishers intermingling with each other. Thank you for the heads up!
Posted: April 18, 2015 1:24:01 pm
Based on the descriptions I linked to, it sounds like the characters each have their separate stories and don't actually intermingle, but that each story is instigated by the same event—the movers losing the contents of their truck—and thus the implication seems to be that the stories all take place in the same reality. Not sure if that meets your criteria for a crossover. (It definitely meets mine. Smile )

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Posted: April 21, 2015 7:08:02 am
Well...it almost meets it, but not quite. You have merit to your argument as well, no doubt. I've just tried to keep the definition for intercompany crossover as simple as possible. It is one of the most overworked terms in comicdom and many, many people have their own definition.

When Superman VS The Amazing Spider-Man came out...it was an intercompany crossover...no debates or arguments. Supes from DC and Spidey from Marvel...no discussion as to whether it was possible or not because they weren't from the same reality, universe, world, space continuum or whatever. The two were in the same book...not separate stories in the same book. They even battled each other!

Ive attempted to keep that same sort of simplistic approach to my definition. As it is, it involves 626 (current count) 20th Century intercompany crossover books.

There are more than a couple of comics that were so close, I agonized over a decision. Some made it...some didn't. I just want the book (if I find a publisher) to be a landmark in defining the history of the intercompany crossover.

Others...like you have different ideas. That is what makes the world go round...and I VERY much appreciate your contributions to this thread.


Posted: April 29, 2015 2:15:47 pm
I don't think this is a candidate for your book, since it's published in the Netherlands, but this crossover story was just published: http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl/EDS2015-02. I don't read Dutch, but thankfully a fan who frequents the Complete Marvel Reading Order forum has produced an English translation, if you're interested: http://imgur.com/a/Tcpp4. Very Happy
Posted: April 29, 2015 3:10:50 pm
For some reason I'm not getting anything on either of those links.
Posted: April 29, 2015 4:00:27 pm
Oops, the problem is the period at the end of each link. Try these:

http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl/EDS2015-02
http://imgur.com/a/Tcpp4
Posted: May 1, 2015 6:41:00 am
LOL...excellent! I love it. Not a crossover...but, wow. You find some of the coolest things!

The slogan for the comic book should be: When Donald shoots his web...DUCK!
Posted: May 20, 2015 9:27:20 pm
I just got a copy of Archie vs. Predator #1 and was pleased to see that there's a second crossover included as a one-page backup story: Archie's Sabrina the Teenage Witch meets Hellboy. Smile
Posted: May 22, 2015 10:58:21 am
Even though I don't actively seek out or collect 21st Century intercompany crossovers (yet)...that sounds like one I'm going to have to get! Thank you.

PS: I have the ashcan to that book but haven't had a chance to even look at that!
Posted: June 18, 2015 1:22:50 pm
I just got a copy of the 2nd issue of Archie vs Predator and it also contains a 1-page backup story: young Archie and the gang stumble across the Mask. Smile
Posted: July 15, 2015 6:01:20 pm
Just got the third issue. The 1-page backup has Jughead being recruited by Mind MGMT.
Posted: July 21, 2015 3:10:44 pm
I'm behind on everything! I'm going to have to grab issues 2 and 3!
Posted: July 21, 2015 7:04:56 pm
How's progress on the book?
Posted: August 19, 2015 2:33:09 pm
I just got issue 4 and the backup story is two pages this time. It's a Josie and the Pussycats/Finder crossover. I'm also enjoying the Star Trek/Green Lantern series. Smile
Posted: April 21, 2016 4:52:03 am
Hi all,

Very sorry for being away so long. I lost my wife last year and it has been very rough sailing. I'll try to keep up with this more often.

I was fooling around last night on google and stumbled onto what appears to be an intercompany crossover book I missed along the way. It is Justice Machine Annual #1 from 1983, published by Texas Comics and includes T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents from Archie comics.

I was glad to be able to locate a copy to buy within a few minutes. There is nothing worse than finding out about a must-have book and not being able to locate a copy to buy!
Posted: April 21, 2016 9:41:08 am
Crossoverking said:
Hi all,

Very sorry for being away so long. I lost my wife last year and it has been very rough sailing. I'll try to keep up with this more often.

I was fooling around last night on google and stumbled onto what appears to be an intercompany crossover book I missed along the way. It is Justice Machine Annual #1 from 1983, published by Texas Comics and includes T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents from Archie comics.

I was glad to be able to locate a copy to buy within a few minutes. There is nothing worse than finding out about a must-have book and not being able to locate a copy to buy!


That comic also has the first appearance of The Elementals by Bill Willingham, which was at the top of read pile for this Teen Titans/X-Men fan.
Posted: April 21, 2016 10:34:26 am
Crossoverking said:
Hi all,

Very sorry for being away so long. I lost my wife last year and it has been very rough sailing. I'll try to keep up with this more often.

I was fooling around last night on google and stumbled onto what appears to be an inter company crossover book I missed along the way. It is Justice Machine Annuall #1 from 1983, published by Texas Comics and includes T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents from Archie comics.

I was glad to be able to locate a copy to buy within a few minutes. There is nothing worse than finding out about a must-have book and not being able to locate a copy to buy!


My condolences on your loss, hope things are beginning to smooth out for you.

I do have that JMA#1...never thought of it as a inter-company crossover until now...learn something new everydayThink
"Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"

Posted: April 21, 2016 11:07:45 am
Very sorry to hear of your loss. Sad
Posted: April 21, 2016 11:27:57 am
Thank you for the condolences. I hope getting back into research and finishing this dang book will help. I guess I'm on a roll! After finding the JMA#1 last night, I actually found three more intercompany crossovers that I didn't know of! They are P.I.'s: Michael Mauser and Ms. Tree #s 1-3. from 1-85 through 5/85. They are First/Renegade Press intercompany crossovers.

So, as always I have mixed emotions about finding 4 new additions to my book. On one hand, I'm glad. The last thing I want is people blasting the book for missing this crossover or that one. On the other hand, it is somewhat frustrating...and embarrassing! I would bet my life without blinking an eye that I have spent more time researching in this area than anyone else in the world! So...after 20 years and countless hundreds (probably thousands) of hours, how could I stumble on 4 books in less than 12 hours that I'd missed after ALL of that research???

Compared to ALL of the comic books that came out between 1976 and 1999, intercompany crossovers are not even a drop in a bucket. It is such a minute area.

So, well...there you have it; the rantings of an intercompany crossover fanatic! LOL

The count now for 20th Century intercompany crossovers that I have identified is as follows: 346 crossovers, 218 alternate covers, 22 trade paperbacks, 11 ashcans, 2 ashcans alternate covers, 12 non-ashcan previews, 9 preview alternate covers, 7 reprints, 2 paperbacks and 1 hardcover for a total of 630 intercompany crossover books.

Can anyone identify the only hardcover? Remember...it must have been published prior to 2000.

Yours in Crossovers!
Jerry
Posted: April 21, 2016 4:38:33 pm
My condolences on your loss, Jerry. I hope you and your family are well.
Posted: April 22, 2016 1:50:24 am
I don't know you from before, Jerry, but I have enjoyed reading this forum when people post on it. Imagine being the world's foremost authority on something so cool! Like everyone else here I am sorry to hear of your loss. Like Canucks I have the Justice Machine Annual but also never knew it was a crossover as I only picked it up for the Elementals.
Tenzil
Posted: April 22, 2016 9:16:55 am
Thank everyone for your kind words.

I hope to really get this thread rolling again, for a couple of reasons. People have steered me to some awesome websites and leads. I have found out about a few crossovers from this site that I'd never been aware of.

The other reason is it will keep my juices flowing during breaks from my book. I fear that if I don't finish it or if it doesn't get published, there will be so much information lost to history.
Posted: April 24, 2016 10:46:10 pm
I'm so glad that you have continued to stay true to your passion and remained steadfast in focus on this subject. There are so many different ways one can approach collecting comics but as long as it stays fun, there is no wrong path. Some people just go for alternate covers, or try to complete every single Spiderman #1 homage. It's really about what you find personally satisfying. I hope you get your book published one day and don't worry about missing a series here and there. As long as you get the vast majority in there, you can always sneak more in on the 2nd and 3rd editions Wink
Posted: April 26, 2016 6:45:36 am
Thank you! What I'm most proud of is that when I decided to collect EVERY intercompany crossover...at that moment (in April 1996) I was clueless about publishers other than DC, Marvel and Archie! Aside from the DC/Marvel intercompany crossovers dating back to 1976, I hadn't bought a comic book since 1970!

I knew nothing about other publishers, ashcans, previews, alternate covers...NOTHING. EVERYONE knew more that I. I went to my first comic con about a week after that decision. It was in Monroeville, PA (near Pittsburgh). I remember walking up to the first table. The guy looked at me and said, "What do you collect?" I told him intercompany crossovers. He said that he never heard of anyone collecting in that category and started going through some boxes. He pulled out a few comics and said here you go. This is all I have.

I bought them and bought some other books that day. I didn't even know enough about crossovers to know what questions to ask! I never even asked "What makes it an intercompany crossover?" Everyone was so busy, I just took their word for it. So...the next day, I took the books that I bought to my LCS and over half were NOT intercompany crossovers. A few weren't even intracompany crossovers.

So...yes...I got ripped off. I made up my mind to really learn about what I was collecting. I had to not only keep on top of the HUGE amount of crossovers that were coming out at that time, but also learn about and locate all the crossovers that had come out prior to 1996!

Then...I got into the cards and the posters and the miscellaneous stuff like promotional items.

I had to smile at your comments on 2nd and 3rd editions! That is probably what I'll have to do. I have to think...well, no one can find out about all of them. Even if I do now have EVERY 20th Century intercompany crossover...how do I know?

So, thank you for the cudos and the encouragement!

Posted: April 26, 2016 2:45:36 pm
I don't know about a 2nd edition, but I'd love to see a volume 2 that covers intercompany crossovers published outside the US. Wink Razz
Posted: April 27, 2016 8:06:47 am
Wow Plaristes! You sure do know how to open a can of worms LOL! I can't even fathom researching something like that!!! I don't know if there are comic book publishers in every country in the world...but! How many languages would one have to know just to begin to research intercompany crossovers outside the USA? There might be two categories: USA intercompany crossovers that have been translated and published in other countries and intercompany crossovers from two (or more) different non-USA publishers who have characters from each company in a comic book.

I've been researching American intrcompany crossovers for 20 years and still, on occasion find one that I never heard of or knew about. There was one comic book published in England that I debated long and hard as to whether or not include in my list. It was the Comic Relief Comic from 1991 published by Fleetway Publications. There are soooooo many great characters in that book...Batman, Superman, Hulk, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Wolverine, TMNT and many, MANY others! It is English language. I thought of every angle I could to find a way to justify including it. In the end...it was still a British comic book. If I included it, I would have to include worldwide intercompany crossovers.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it DOES get an honorable mention in my book. Plaristes, perhaps you have found yourself a calling! It should only take you 50 years to do ample research for a book like that!

As always...thank you for your input.

Yours in Crossovers!,
Jerry
Posted: April 27, 2016 11:08:30 am
I would suspect that it would require a whole team of people to adequately research even a fraction of foreign comics. No doubt you'd need people who read Spanish, German, Dutch, French, and Japanese (and probably also Swedish, Chinese, Russian, Hungarian and who knows what else?). I don't read any of those languages, so that rules me out. Razz

It's cool to hear that the British Comic Relief Comic will at least get a mention in your book. It's certainly an interesting comic (I've never been able to track down an affordable copy for my own collection). Will you also give a mention to the English translation (published in the US, even!) in Alter Ego of the originally Brazillian crossover between Fawcett's Captain Marvel and the Human Torch?
Posted: April 27, 2016 10:06:53 pm
That is one I never heard of! I found a site that had several pages of it. I'll probably cover that in my "wannabe crossovers" chapter.

You always seem to come up with the obscure!!!
Posted: May 2, 2016 10:08:51 pm
I bought a cool poster on ebay for my collection. It isn't technically in the criteria in which I collect. My crossover posters are 20th Century...just like my comics and cards.

Still, I couldn't resist! Check it out:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5574961614&toolid=10001&campid=5336824214&customid=cbrf&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FMarvel-vs-DC-Toy-Fight-poster-art-print-by-Ryan-Dunlavey-Minimates-Lego-%2F181624964735%3Fhash%3Ditem2a49b1067f%3Ag%3AON8AAMXQoiJRgd4G

at this writing, there is only one left!
Posted: May 8, 2016 7:21:53 am
Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms who belong to this site and to all the Moms of our members!
Posted: May 15, 2016 8:27:48 am
Hi all. I had a tough decision to make and was hoping for some feedback. I recently stumbled on some information regarding a book called Turtlemania #1. I found the information at recalledcomics.com in their section on ultra-rare comic books. Incidentally someone at CBR recently posted that site in a thread. I checked it out and it is a VERY informative site!

But I digress! Anyway...the book itself is not an intercompany crossover. Here is the description from recalledcomics.com: "By 1986 'Turtlemania' had truly taken off from the humble beginnings two years earlier with TMNT #1 and it's initial first print run of 3,000 copies. This inspired Robert Wilson, owner of Metropolis comics, to create a one-off special with original material generously donated by Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman. These comic books contain previews and previously unseen artwork, including a Bob Burdon pull-out poster in the centerfold depicting the TMNT, Flaming Carrot and Cerebus!"

So...the poster in the cenerfold is an intercompany crossover poster! As you may know, I'm including a chapter on 20th Century intercompany crossover posters in my book. I own about 120 posters of that type.

Here is the decision I had to make. Just as with the comic books and trading cards, I own every poster that will be in the book. I love my poster collection, as the art work is so much BIGGER! My posers, of course are separate from my books. I even bought two copies of Warrior Nun Areala/Avengelyne #1A (the poster edition) so that I could take the poster out of one copy and keep the other copy intact...with the poster inside.

I feel posters should be displayed. So...after learning of the book, I went to ebay and found a copy for $79.99+shipping. I struggled. I KNEW I could NEVER remove the poster from such a nice book. So I would have a non-intercompany crossover book with an intercompany crossover poster inside that I couldn't have seperate from the book and could not display. I couldn't justify spending that kind of money under those circumstances.

As you may have guessed I didn't buy it and will now have to use a scan of the poster that I don't own in my chapter on intercompany crossover posters. That eats at me.

Am I being too anal?

Posted: May 15, 2016 11:00:55 am
I think you're fine. I would probably make a similar decision for my own collection (although I don't collect posters). Imagine if Pow! Biff! Pops! had a poster inside as well. Would you really spend the money necessary to own two copies just so you could pull the poster out of one of them? That would seem overly obsessive to me.
Posted: May 15, 2016 1:50:59 pm
LOL...No...I wouldn't (couldn't) spend the money! Thank you for helping me feel a little better about the decision.
Posted: May 16, 2016 12:10:45 am
Of course, another option is to get the second magazine, remove the poster carefully, and sell the magazine with a note of its missing poster. If the magazine is popular enough, I would bet someone would be willing to pay roughly 75% or more of its value without the poster. Therefore your cost to acquire the poster goes down significantly.

I'm a crazy enough completist that if I collected the way you do, I would really need the poster bound in the magazine and by itself out of the magazine.

And, hey, at least you don't have to worry about Pow! Biff! Pops! -- my copy is poster free. Ha ha.
www.SPIDERMANFAN.com -- A blog for Spider-Man comic book completists
Posted: May 16, 2016 5:01:22 am
I just couldn't bring myself to pull the poster out of a second book either. It is a scarce book and should stay intact. Its good to know there are other fanatic completists like me out there!

So you also have a Pow! Biff! Pops!. There aren't too many of us around. The other day I left a message in the Price Check on Aisle X Please section. I think the guide for that book is too low.

What do you collect that you required Pow! Biff! Pops!? Also...if you don't mind my asking...where did you gets yours? I got mine after making what seemed to be a thousand phone calls to people who were Boston Pops 1978 season ticket holders that had listed phone numbers...20 years AFTER the concert!
Posted: May 16, 2016 11:03:29 am
I'm a Spider-Man appearance completist, so I just had to get a copy of the Pow! Biff! Pops!. I managed to pick mine up nearly a decade ago. It came directly from Kurt Busiek himself. I will always remember it vividly because I had been in communication with him for a year or so, and I returned home from my company's Christmas party that year to find an email from him saying he found his copy and it was mine to purchase. Best. Christmas. Ever.
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Posted: May 16, 2016 5:24:10 pm
That's great! I'm surprised Busiek parted with his copy. I know that it was missing for a number of years. He felt that his wife had probably put it in a file cabinet somewhere.

So, regarding your collection...how in the world to you keep up with ALL Spidey appearances? Do you also have to have ALL the alternate covers?. If so...you have more money than I!!!

I'm sure you have all of these. In case you don't, it will be helpful. This is all of the appearances of Spider-Man in 20th Century intercompany crossovers:
All Access #1
Batman and Spider-Man
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #4
Dream Team #1
Magazineland USA
Marvel Treasury Edition #28 Superman and Spider-Man
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #2
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #3
Pow! Biff! Pops!
Silver Surfer/Superman #1
Spider-Boy Team Up #1
Spider-Man and Batman
Spider-Man/Badrock #1a
Spider-Man/Badrock #1b
Spider-Man/Gen 13
Superman VS The Amazing Spider-Man
Unlimited Access #1
X-Patrol #1

I have one somewhat obscure non-intercompany crossover Spidey book. I'd bet serious money you already have it. It is Sensational Spider-Man #23...the one that was distributed only at a Kansas City Chiefs game. I have the book and also the press release that was given to reporters who attended the game. How many of those were printed? Any idea?

Yours in Crossovers!
Jerry
Posted: May 16, 2016 5:39:48 pm
I do have all of those (including the KC giveaway, which I don't recall how many they printed), but thanks for the list. I'm always on the lookout for more to add to my nearly 20,000 appearances (including both his own titles and those where he guest or cameo appears). And while I do include picking up modern variants, I've started adding those to a list when they come out so I can get them down the road after the newness has worn off and you can get a much better deal.
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Posted: May 16, 2016 10:49:42 pm
These were missing from the list of 20th century Spidey appearances in intercompany crossover stories:

Backlash/Spider-Man #1-2
Comic Relief Comic (not published in the US, but still a genuine intercompany crossover published in the 20th century)

Also, I don't think these qualify as intercompany crossovers by the criteria you're using, but Spidey still appears in them (and they're still 20th century crossover stories under other criteria):

Amazing Spider-Man mini-book (the one from the mid-60s)
Shi/Cyblade: The Battle for Independents
Posted: May 17, 2016 6:38:22 am
Plaristes...you never cease to amaze me! How did you catch Backlash/Spidey out of all of the intercompany crossovers? How did I miss it??? I have 132 pages solid cross-referencing in my book in 8 pt type! That is a LOT of material. I list every intercompany crossover . Underneath, I list ever character in the book. Also...every character in listed. Underneath the character is every intercompany crossover they appeared in. For some stupid reason I didn't have Spidey listed as being in Backlash/Spider-Man #1 or #2!

Now...I double checked Shi/Cyblade. Comicvine has Spidey listed as being in the book. I went through it page by page, panel by hero chalked panel. No Spidey. Even if I missed him and he IS in the book (again, I looked carefully), I wouldn't count it in my cross-reference as it would be an uncredited appearance.

About the only way I count an uncredited appearance as credited is when a character may appear in the last page or panel of a book that is continued to a full-blown intercompany crossover that includes that particular character. I then consider that book as more or less the first part of that crossover. I'm not sure if I've actually had to do that.

af15..THAT is an impressive collection! Along the lines of what I wrote above...do you count uncredited appearances of Spidey in your collection? I would think it would be difficult enough to keep on top of the credited apparances, let alone Spidey bein shown in a Halloween parade in Rutland, Vermont!

Also...how in the world do you confidently make a list of ALL alternate or variant covers? I know toward the end of the 1990's, when there were many crossovers with alternate covers coming out, I was going nuts! The bad girl alternate covers were especially difficult to track. It was back then that they started the blue foil covers that were limited to 100 copies worldwide. The retail price was $50 to $75 each! I paid full retail, as I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to find a copy later on.

As much as I've researched, I still was discovering the occasional alternate cover that I hadn't heard about at the time clear up to just a couple of years ago!

So...I have to ask the question. Do you have the largest Spidey appearance collection in the world? If not do you know who does? Also...brag if you want...do you consider yourself to be the leading authority on Spidey appearances? If you don't, I'm guessing you HAVE to be up there!

I read a lot of your blogs...very informative!

Plaristes and af15...thank both of you for contributing.

Yours in Crossovers!
Jerry
Posted: May 17, 2016 12:15:54 pm
I compiled a list of crossovers taking place on Earth-7642 (also known as Earth-Crossover), and Backlash/Spider-Man takes place there, so I just consulted my list to see if there were any you hadn't listed. :-)

Regarding Shi/Cyblade, it's an uncredited appearance. There's one panel where Spidey appears, but he's entirely in shadow. He's swinging on a web commenting on how the various other characters in that panel are cooler than the people he normally hangs out with (referring, of course, to Marvel characters).

You're not sure if you've had to list any uncredited appearances that were lead-ins to official crossovers? What about Youngblood vol. 2 #10, which leads into the Youngblood/X-Force crossover? Or Witchblade #11, which leads into the Devil's Reign crossover? Or were those credited appearances (I don't have my copies at hand to easily check right now)?
Posted: May 17, 2016 12:18:18 pm
af15, I'm curious, do you only collect Spidey appearances published in the US, or do you try to get them all? Do you have in your collection, for example, the 70s Japanese mangas, or the original Spidey stories published in France, Mexico, and India?
Posted: May 17, 2016 2:39:29 pm
Crossoverking -- Yeah. The appearance collection is full of tons of non-credited appearances. Back in the day I would spend some weekend time in my local comic shop just going through back issues looking for cameos and the like. Tedious, but fun.

Regarding variant covers, I have everything up until the last couple of years. I had to slow that side of things because of the multitude of covers and cost involved. It's easy to keep a running list of them each week as new books come out so I can snatch them up later when their prices have gone down.

Regarding whether it is the largest appearance collection, I believe it may be, but you never know who else is lurking out there (and I am rarely one to ever brag). I have a group of like-minded collectors I talk with who have similar but not quite as exhaustive collections as mine. Most gave up looking for appearances in modern day books.

Plaristes -- Good question about the foreign books. I had to draw the line somewhere, so I am collecting US books only at this stage. That isn't to say that I don't have a lot of foreign books that I've picked up here and there over the years, but they aren't "in the collection" at this stage. But maybe one day soon I'll focus on those.
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Posted: May 18, 2016 2:32:24 am
I'm a little late to the party and very envious of the special collections you all have. I am also confident that af15 has this comic already, but the nerd in me has to mention that you, Crossover King, missed another book in your list of Spider-Man in 20th Century intercompany crossovers. I am sure it is just an oversight on your part but while you list the 1997 Amalgam book Spider-Boy Team Up #1 I fail to see the 1996 Amalgam book simply titled Spider-Boy #1. Or is there some reason that book should not be considered? I have to say it's been tremendous fun reading this thread, especially the last couple of days. My hat is off to all of you!
Tenzil
Posted: May 18, 2016 11:46:56 am
Spider-Man appears in Spider-Boy Team-Up #1, but he doesn't show up in Spider-Boy #1.
Posted: May 18, 2016 11:54:18 am
Hey all! We have this thread rolling! I love it!!!

So, Plaristes....you are on it! Those were the very two books I was thinking of when I typed my last reply. Youngblood #10 credits X-Force and in Witchblade #11 it is an uncredited appearance of Mephisto with a referance to be continued in Wolverine/Witchblade.


Tenzil...never too late! The inclusion of Spider-Boy Team Up #1 was actually the error. Spider-Man does not appear in that comic and I've made the correction in my book. Also...Spider-Man is not in the Amalgam comic Spider-Boy #1.

So now I'm curious. af15...do you count those books since Spider-Boy is 1/2 Spider-Man and 1/2 Superboy?
Posted: May 18, 2016 12:14:47 pm
Plaristes...i just noticed you stated that Spider-Man is in Spider-Boy Team Up #1. I just went through the book and didn't spot him. Did I miss Spidey again???
Posted: May 18, 2016 3:13:07 pm
Yep. Razz Toward the end of Spider-Boy Team-Up #1, Kang the Time Conqueror attempts to split Spider-Boy into Spider-Man and Superboy. He partially succeeds briefly, and so there are two panels in which you can see Spider-Man. It's very brief, but it's a genuine appearance of Spider-Man.
Posted: May 18, 2016 11:44:50 pm
Crossoverking said:
So now I'm curious. af15...do you count those books since Spider-Boy is 1/2 Spider-Man and 1/2 Superboy?


Oh yeah...it counts! Both the direct edition and the newsstand edition too. Ha ha.
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Posted: May 20, 2016 9:43:56 am
Plaristes...you are on top of it!
af15...I remember reading an interview online once with another Spidey collector. I recall his 1st name was Todd. Do you know who that is? If so...does he collect every appearance of Spidey or just Spidey comics?

Also...do you collect things other than comics like trading cards with Spider-Man or posters with Spider-Man?
Posted: May 20, 2016 9:56:10 am
Crossoverking said:
af15...I remember reading an interview online once with another Spidey collector. I recall his 1st name was Todd. Do you know who that is? If so...does he collect every appearance of Spidey or just Spidey comics?

Also...do you collect things other than comics like trading cards with Spider-Man or posters with Spider-Man?


I do know Todd. He's a good and longtime friend and fellow collector of Spidey comics. He has done some appearance collecting, but I believe he stopped at a particular year and doesn't continue to do so up to date. His collection, though, is very mighty.

As far as other Spidey stuff goes, I stop at comics (and books, paperbacks, TPBs, coloring books) - basically stuff printed on paper and folded (ha ha). The only other thing I went a little crazy on was when the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie came out. I have an extremely extensive collection of promotional items related to that first movie.
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Posted: May 22, 2016 8:37:32 am
I collected a lot of the fast food Spider-Man stuff from the first movie. I know I have a couple of unused french fry containers! I remember, that there were either 4 or 6 lenticular framed cards that were offered and there was one card I wasn't able to get. That still bothers me!

With the magnitude of your collection, I can see why you limit yourself to just the comic books!
Posted: May 23, 2016 2:55:38 am
@af15: Kudos to you on your Amazing collection. Do you have any holes in your collection your are chasing? And do you include Spider-Man novels and mini books?
Tenzil
Posted: May 23, 2016 4:33:46 pm
Tenzil said:
@af15: Kudos to you on your Amazing collection. Do you have any holes in your collection your are chasing? And do you include Spider-Man novels and mini books?


There are always a few holes I'm looking for. Most notably right now are a handful of modern newsstand variants and some Mark Jewelers variants. The Mark Jewelers variants are really fun to look for. The fact that they ran in Marvel books for 30 years means there are a lot of books to get. I have the majority of the main Spidey titles, and now are looking for appearance titles.
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Posted: May 23, 2016 4:53:51 pm
@Crossoverking, you just have to love it when a topic you started 4 years ago is still going strong. Still haven't read half of the posts. I've never heard of anyone specializing in cross-publisher crossovers but think it is very, very cool.

As an aspiring completist of Daredevil (although my collection is no where near complete) I'd love your help (if you care to) determine what crossover issues Daredevil appears in.

I have actually only started putting in my Daredevil-related issues here over the past week, but I'm already loving how many of the variants, reprints, and special editions are available in the CBR database. I'm hoping to use CBR to manage my primary character collections and associated want lists to make it easier to track. I also hope to share my lists with other DD fans and completists so they can see which issues I have duplicates of and maybe trade/sell to fill some holes in my collections.

I'm sure it will be easier once I get all of my comics entered, here are the crossovers I think I have (that have been at least entered into my own database):

Batman / Daredevil - King of New York (2000) TPB - DC / Marvel
Daredevil / Batman (1997) #1 - Marvel / DC
Daredevil / Shi (1997) #1 - Marvel / Crusade
DC/Marvel: All Access (1996) #2 - DC / Marvel
Magdalena / Daredevil (200Cool #1 - Top Cow / Image / Marvel
Shi / Daredevil: Honor Thy Mother #1 - Crusade / Marvel
Shi / Daredevil: Honor Thy Mother - Banzai Edition #1 - Crusade / Marvel

I'm sure there are a ton more, especially where DD may be in some background artwork or minor cameos. Would love to add any you have (if you have the ability to see characters in your crossover collection). Anyway, thanks for the great thread!
Daredevil Completist... well, trying my hardest anyway. If you have some cheap issues with DD in them, I'm probably interested.
Posted: May 23, 2016 5:01:00 pm
Yeah, Daredevil does make appearances in many books. With regard to my collection, maybe one day I'll be able to go through each issue and denote who all appears. That's kind of a long-term goal.

Daredevil #1 (original 1964 series) is also one of the pricier appearances I had to get - and Spidey just appears on the cover. Ha ha. I remember finding a nice copy about a decade ago or so.
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Posted: May 23, 2016 6:10:57 pm
@af15, DD appearances are nothing like Spidey though... that just seems like a lifetime task against all odds.

Still not sure how I'm going to afford the DD appearances in ASM and FF early issues... fighting all of those Spidey and Fantastic Four completists and collectors are tough, because they will generally out spend me on those issues.

Being a completist is fun though, especially when you locate that missing newsstand edition, price variant, Whitman/JCPenny reprints, or ones with the Mark Jeweler or National Diamond Sales inserts. I recently acquired a second copy of a Marvel Monthly Catalog (even though I already had one in my collection) that had Daredevil on the cover and included a centerfold poster and articles on the '98 MK reboot and was really excited to find that this was a "Retailer Edition" that contained an additional 4 page insert (in the centerfold) that had the entire retailer incentive program details for the launch of the Marvel Knights issues... felt like it was Christmas. Love finding stuff like that.
Daredevil Completist... well, trying my hardest anyway. If you have some cheap issues with DD in them, I'm probably interested.
Posted: May 23, 2016 7:22:17 pm
af15, even though you don't currently collect them, do you happen to have a list of all the original Spidey appearances in Japan, France and India? I think I know of all the original Mexican stories, but I've never been able to find complete info for Japan, France, and India on their original stories.
Posted: May 23, 2016 7:26:05 pm
Dacoop, I forgot off the top of my head which issue it is, but I believe Daredevil cameoed in one of the issues of DC vs. Marvel (the first series). And don't forget about the very first issue of TMNT. :-P
Posted: May 23, 2016 11:26:55 pm
Plaristes said:
af15, even though you don't currently collect them, do you happen to have a list of all the original Spidey appearances in Japan, France and India? I think I know of all the original Mexican stories, but I've never been able to find complete info for Japan, France, and India on their original stories.


I sure don't have any of these lists. I think subconsciously if I made these lists, then I would start to try to fill them. Ha ha.
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Posted: May 23, 2016 11:47:57 pm
Plaristes said:
Dacoop, I forgot off the top of my head which issue it is, but I believe Daredevil cameoed in one of the issues of DC vs. Marvel (the first series). And don't forget about the very first issue of TMNT. :-P


Thanks for the post. I have issues 2-4 of the Marvel vs DC / DC vs Marvel mini from 1996, and even though I have listed Elektra and Kingpin in a few of those I didn't mark down Daredevil himself... of course it would figure if he's in issue #1 Confused

As for TMNT issue number 1, I might have a 4th or 5th printing, but there's no way I'm going to try to collect all of those. Brick wall What is the DD cameo in that issue? (or is it that they are based on similar origin stories as DD?)
Daredevil Completist... well, trying my hardest anyway. If you have some cheap issues with DD in them, I'm probably interested.
Posted: May 24, 2016 2:05:34 am
@af15: I think your collection must be so cool! You too, crossover king and DaCoop! Thanks for letting me know the comics you are looking for but I am still wondering if you include Spider-Man novels (as opposed to graphic novels) and mini books as Spider-Man collectibles? Thanks,
Tenzil
Posted: May 24, 2016 11:39:39 am
DaCoop said:
Plaristes said:
Dacoop, I forgot off the top of my head which issue it is, but I believe Daredevil cameoed in one of the issues of DC vs. Marvel (the first series). And don't forget about the very first issue of TMNT. :-P


Thanks for the post. I have issues 2-4 of the Marvel vs DC / DC vs Marvel mini from 1996, and even though I have listed Elektra and Kingpin in a few of those I didn't mark down Daredevil himself... of course it would figure if he's in issue #1 Confused

As for TMNT issue number 1, I might have a 4th or 5th printing, but there's no way I'm going to try to collect all of those. Brick wall What is the DD cameo in that issue? (or is it that they are based on similar origin stories as DD?)

I just checked and sure enough, DD's cameo is in issue #1 of DC vs. Marvel (you see him in one panel kicking the Riddler in the face). As for TMNT, the very first issue shows that the goop that splashed on the turtles to turn them into TMNT was first knocked into the face of one particular guy you may be familiar with. Razz Here's the relevant page showing the accident: http://cracked.tumblr.com/post/84125036489/daredevil-and-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
Posted: May 24, 2016 2:22:52 pm
@Plaristes, awesome, thanks for looking that up for me and the TMNT link.
Daredevil Completist... well, trying my hardest anyway. If you have some cheap issues with DD in them, I'm probably interested.
Posted: May 25, 2016 5:46:04 am
Hey all,

I was away for a few days...wow, I missed a LOT!

DaCoop...here are the DD appearance that I have from 20th Century intercompany crossovers:
All Access #1
All Access #2
Batman/Daredevil
Daredevil and Batman
Daredevil/Shi #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #1
Dream Team #1
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #2
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #3
Shi/Daredevil #1
Unlimited Access #2

And yes...I'm happy that this thread is still very active!

Yours in Crossovers!
Posted: May 26, 2016 3:11:30 pm
Crossoverking said:
DaCoop...here are the DD appearance that I have from 20th Century intercompany crossovers:
All Access #1
All Access #2
Batman/Daredevil
Daredevil and Batman
Daredevil/Shi #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #1
Dream Team #1
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #2
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #3
Shi/Daredevil #1
Unlimited Access #2

Thanks a ton for looking those up for me @Crossoverking... I have Marvel Versus DC #2 & #3, and I normally list characters in my own personal database, but I didn't have DD in those issues, it must be because it is only a background image with no dialog or interaction specific to the storyline. Still, I'll mark those off the list to get, and add a few more to look for. Dream Team #1, that's a new one... haven't heard of that one before... on to check out the prices on it Smile

Daredevil Completist... well, trying my hardest anyway. If you have some cheap issues with DD in them, I'm probably interested.
Posted: May 27, 2016 5:06:18 am
From one completist to another...you're VERY welcome.
Posted: June 16, 2016 7:44:39 am
Sorry I haven't been around. I had a heart attack on 6/1 and am back in full swing.
Posted: June 16, 2016 7:48:32 am
So sorry to hear about that, but glad you are back.
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Posted: June 16, 2016 12:01:40 pm
Yikes! I hope everything is okay. Shocked
Posted: June 16, 2016 1:37:52 pm
Glad to know your doing better, Crossoverking. - Bob
Posted: June 16, 2016 7:44:41 pm
Crossoverking said:
Sorry I haven't been around. I had a heart attack on 6/1 and am back in full swing.


Shocked Damn!! Glad to see you're doing ok, take care of yourself.
"Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"

Posted: June 17, 2016 2:12:04 am
Glad to hear you are doing better. Take care, crossoverking - this is a much better place for having you in it!
Tenzil
Posted: June 17, 2016 2:11:25 pm
Thank you EVERONE! Now...lets see if we can get things rolling again? Any questions or comments on intercompany crossover comics, cards or posters?
Posted: June 17, 2016 8:15:39 pm
Well, here's a question. Some people consider the first Justice Society story to be the first intercompany crossover. What do you think about that?
Posted: June 19, 2016 10:24:41 pm
Hey Plaristes!
Many consider All Star Comics #3 as the first intercompany crossover. I don't. The two companies involved, National and All American shared the same offices and the same editorial imprint (DC). Also, and this may seem mundane...but it was not a limited series. The sense that it was ongoing or indefinite ads to the feel that it was more of an intracompany crossover by todays thoughts or standards.
Posted: June 20, 2016 2:15:18 am
Probably a silly question, CK, and quite possibly covered in this thread already, but I'm not about to read through all these pages to find out! What about unofficial crossovers, like when characters from one company have a cameo in another company's book without being officially identified? My guess is you would not count those but please enlighten me!
Tenzil
Posted: June 21, 2016 7:22:38 am
Hi Tenzil....NO question too silly!
You're correct...I wouldn't count it...unless! I can't readily recall, but there are cameos in the final page or panel in comics that lead to a crossover. I'm getting ready for work right now and can't search the books right now...but I know Youngblood #10 leads into Youngblood/X-Force in such a way, as well as Witcthblade #11 leading into Devil's Reign #5. If they are not credited in the "lead-in" book, I would still count them as they are in essence, the first part of a credited intercompany crossover.
Posted: June 21, 2016 11:31:28 am
I think a similar case is the last page of an issue of Army of Darkness (I forget which off the top of my head) which leads into the Marvel Zombies/Army of Darkness crossover. CK may not have that one in his collection, though, since it's a 21st century crossover.
Posted: June 22, 2016 2:10:59 pm
Hey Plaristes!
Believe it or not, I have a copy of Marvel Zombies Vs Armies of Darkness #3,but not for the reason you think. Of course, you are correct in that I wouldn't have it in my collection due to it being post 1999. However, I started a mini-collection of comics with tribute covers to the first intercompany crossover, Superman Vs The Amazing Spider-Man. THAT is why I have it! I have six comic books and a magazine that are tribute covers. I also have a Superman #32 sketch cover with a Dan Nokes tribute to the Supes/Spidey cover with Mickey Mouse dressed as Spidey and Bugs Bunny as Supes. It also works in that Mickey Mouse is Disney...which owns Marvel and Bugs Bunny is Time/Warner which owns DC!
Posted: June 28, 2016 3:45:48 pm
Crossoverking, I'm hoping you can answer this question for me. In Youngblood/X-Force #1, there's a scene where the heroes break into a holding cell on the Image Earth to rescue some Image characters. Colonel Bravo is in the cell, and when he sees Cable he yells out "Cable! Nate! What the heck are you doing here?" Cable responds with "Saving your sorry butt by the look of things. Been a while, eh, Bravo?" This is a pretty clear indication that Cable and Colonel Bravo know each other. However, I can't seem to find any info about a story in which they previously met. Do you know of a Cable/Bravo crossover somewhere? I know there's no issue titled Cable/Colonel Bravo #1, but did they meet in some obscure ashcan, or or maybe uncredited in an issue of X-Force or Youngblood? You'd think someone somewhere online would have mentioned this exchange, but a quick google search didn't seem to locate anyone else commenting on it and wondering where they had already met.
Posted: June 30, 2016 10:05:17 am
Hey Plaristes!
To the best my my knowledge...they'd never met in a credited intercompany crossover. As far as uncredited (perhaps an uncredited cameo from an X-Force or Youngblood book)...I just don't know. That would not be an official intercompany crossover.
Posted: June 30, 2016 10:10:28 am
Recently I started a thread of rare comic books
There is an awesome site (http://www.recalledcomics.com/UltraRareComics.php#UltraRareAnchor) that has a section on rare comics. It breaks them down into several categories: Ultra-Rare 1-10 copies, Super-rare 11-100 copies, rare 101-1000, etc.

For the purposes of this thread please list comics that you have where there are 1,000 copies or less. Now...I'm not talking about books that had a print run of 50,000 and 500 of those were signed and numbered. What I'm talking about is where there were 1,000 or less printed...or where there was a larger print run but there are 1,000 or less believed to currently exist.

Here is my list from the 20th Century intercompany crossover section of my overall collection. There are several that I didn't list that I strongly suspect that there were 1,000 or less printed, but have not been able to find a source to substantiate my suspicions or list a definite print run.

Pow! Biff! Pops! (s/n Bing, Ltd. 250) DC/Marvel 1978
The defunct Comics Buyers Guide stated there were 6 known copies. Some other sources state under a dozen.
Flaming Carrot Comics #25 (s/n-Burden, Ltd. 1,000) ashcan Dark Horse/Mirage 1991
Flaming Carrot Comics #26 (s/n-Burden, Ltd. 1,000) ashcan Dark Horse/Mirage 1991
Flaming Carrot Comics #27 (s/n-Burden, Ltd. 1,000) ashcan Dark Horse/Image 1991
Batman/Grendel (Platinum ed. Ltd. 1,000) ashcan B Comico/DC 1993
Hellina/Double Impact (Dimensional Pltnm ed. Ltd. 1,000)1E Lightning/High Impact 2/96
Hellina/Double Impact (Nude Platinum ed. Ltd. 500) 1F Lightning/High Impact 2/96
Creed/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Subscriber’s ed. Ltd.200*) 1E Lightning/Mirage 5/96
Most sources state that it was limited to 500...because that is what it was solicited at but I have an email from
Steve Zyskowski (former co-owner of Lightning comics) stating the print run was actually closer to 200 for this
book.
Badrock/Wolverine (Ltd. 500) ashcan Image/Marvel 1996
Nira X/Hellina (San Diego ed. Ltd. 1,000) 1C Entity/Lightning 7/96
Tomoe/Witchblade Fire Sermon (Avalon Ruby Red ed. Ltd. 999) 1B Crusade/Top Cow 9/96
Warrior Nun Areala/Scorpio Rose (Comm. ed. Ltd. 1,000) 1A Antarctic/Eclipse 9/96
Luxura/Widow Bloodlust Omega (Luxury ed. Ltd. 500) B Brainstorm/Ground Zero 11/96
Hellina/Cynder (Nude A-c Ltd. 700) 1B Lightning/Immortelle 9/97
Hellina/Cynder (Nude B-c Ltd. 600) 1C Lightning/Immortelle 9/97
The Elite Mr. Beat (Mr. Beat Adventures Classic ed., s/n-Yambar, Ltd. 500) 1A Moordam/Warp Graphics 4/98
There were 500 printed and ALL copies were signed.
Double Impact/Luxura (Platinum ed. Ltd. 500)1B High Impact/Brainstorm 1998
Vampirella/Shi (Holochrom-c Ltd. 750) 1C Harris/Crusade 9/97
Vampirella Monthly (Queen’s Gambit #1 Holoplaid-c Ltd. 1,000) 7D Harris/Crusade 6/98
Vampirella Monthly (Queen’s Gambit #2 virgin-c Ltd. 1,000) 8A Harris/Crusade 7/98
Pandora/Widow (Red Leather-c Ltd. 700) 1C Avatar/Ground Zero 9/97
Crow/Razor Kill the Pain (Leather, Silver foil Ltd. 700) 1B London Night/Kitchen Sink 4/98
Crow/Razor Kill the Pain (Leather, Red foil Ltd. 300) 1C London Night/Kitchen Sink 4/98
Crow/Razor Kill the Pain (Red Velvet-c Ltd. 200*) 0B London Night/Kitchen Sink 10/98
The was solicited for 250 copies but the printers ran out of black embossing after 200 copies.
Crow/Razor Kill the Pain (Red Velvet-c Silver embossed Ltd. 50*) 0C London Night/Kitchen Sink 10/98
Without consulting Everette Hartsoe (owner of London Night Comics) the printers used silver embossing on the
remaining 50 copies. Hartsoe was furious. He sent me a signed copy (which I have since also had signed by
James O'Barr) and kep one for himself and destroyed the rest. Hartsoe has no idea what ever happeded to his
copy. So...there is one copy that can be located...mine.
Vampirella/Painkiller Jane (Gold foil alt-c Ltd. 750) 1C Harris/Event 5/98
Vampirella/Painkiller Jane (Blue foil alt-c Ltd. 100) 1D Harris/Event 5/98
Weasel Guy/Witchblade (Gold-c Ltd. 500) 1B Hyperwerks/Top Cow 7/98
Pandora/Shotgun Mary (Leather ed. Ltd. 700) 1C Avatar/Antarctic 8/98
Pandora/Shotgun Mary (Ruby Red ed. Ltd. 200) 1D Avatar/Antarctic 8/98
Pandora/Shotgun Mary (Royal Blue ed. Ltd. 100) 1E Avatar/Antarctic 8/98
Vampirella Monthly (Zircher virgin-c Ltd. 1,000) 0B Harris/Chaos 1/99
Vampirella Monthly (Texeira Pantha virgin-c Ltd. 1,000)0C Harris/Chaos 1/99
Vampirella/Lady Death (Gold Foil-c Ltd. 300) 1C Harris/Chaos 2/99
Vampirella/Lady Death (Royal Blue Foil-c Ltd. 100) 1D Harris/Chaos 2/99
Lady Death/Vampirella (Gold foil Ltd. 300) 1B Chaos/Harris 3/99
Lady Death/Vampirella (Blue foil Ltd. 100) 1C Chaos/Harris 3/99
Vampirella Monthly (alt-c Ltd. 1,000) 22B Harris/Chaos 12/99
Pandora/Razor (Gold-c Ltd. 500) 1B Avatar/London Night 1999
Pandora/Razor (Ruby Red ed. Ltd. 250) 1G Avatar/London Night 1999
Razor: The Ravening (Prism Foil-c Ltd. 500) 1C Avatar/London Night 9/99
Razor: The Ravening (Royal Blue-c Ltd. 100) 1E Avatar/London Night 9/99

So...there you have it! What are your rarest intercompany crossover comics? Feel free to list 21st Century intercompany crossvers as well.
Posted: July 29, 2016 9:06:32 am
I recently came across a good article on Big Boy #266 (1979). Here is the addy for the article:
http://comicsresearch.blogspot.com/2014/03/rare-superman-movie-tie-in-comic.htm

This is a book that I struggled over for a long time. Do I count it? Is it an intercompany crossover? It made me cringe at the number of alternate or variant covers there were. Any restaurant in the USA that sold the Big Boy had their name printed on the cover! How many alternate covers was that?

After struggling over it on and off for quite some time...it finally hit me! It is NOT an intercompany crossover because the Superman that Big Boy meets is NOT the comic book Superman. It is the movie Superman. Also, in 1979 when it was distributed, there was no Superman the movie comic books as of yet.

Intercompany crossovers require two or more comic book characters from separate publishers.

Has anyone else come up with a problem determining crossovers or has had a problem determining whether something fits into whatever you collect? There are ALWAYS decisions to make...especially for completists.

Posted: July 29, 2016 11:10:15 am
The only real collecting area where I try to be a genuine completist is with Indiana Jones. One problem is that there are a number of original novels and comics that were published in France and Germany which have never been given official English translations (a handful have been given rough fan translations). Do I collect these even though I can't read them? I've pretty much acquired everything in English from the US and UK, so the main items left to acquire are in languages I can't read. I've decided since I can't read them that I'll only get them when I come across fairly inexpensive copies for sale (some of them can go for outrageous prices, especially when you consider trans-Atlantic shipping). I don't feel too bad about this (hopefully temporary) hole in my collection, since it's literally impossible to own all of the Indy stories, since those include the original stories in the rides at Disneyland and Tokyo Disney. Further, there was an officially licensed live-action production in Japan back in 1993 titled George Lucas' Super-Live Adventure. No official recording exists (although really low-quality video of parts of it are on youtube) and the script is in Japanese (although I've heard that the script was originally written in English, but that version's never been released to the public).
Posted: July 30, 2016 3:53:32 am
I've never been a cmpletist per se, though of course I'd like every issue I can find of my favorite series and characters so I can't help with your decision there. For me the bigger issue is about a character's first appearance. For some it seems they count when the character appears in some sort of preview magazine and for others they don't seem to worry about it at all.
Tenzil
Posted: August 7, 2016 1:34:13 am
I don't want to get too far off topic but the issue of first appearances has always bugged me. The endless debates are nuts!

Simply put, I feel !a first appearance is just that! If a character legally appears in the last panel of a comic book and has never appeared elsewhere...that is a first appearance!
Posted: September 8, 2016 5:26:28 pm
CK, I know these don't count for inclusion in your project because they weren't published in the US, but I thought you might nevertheless find interesting some info for two more Brazilian crossover stories: http://cmro.travis-starnes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140030#p140030
Posted: November 21, 2016 11:25:26 am
CK, any further progress on your book?
Posted: December 30, 2016 10:58:08 am
I wanted everyone to know I am still alive. This has been a horrible year with 6 emergency trips to the emergency room. That is 2 heart attacks, 2 bouts of pneumonia, 2 broken ribs and a horrible flair up of my COPD.

The only upside to this year is a wonderful beautiful woman I met in October.
Posted: December 30, 2016 2:53:00 pm
Holy crap man...take care and I hope you have a better new year

Let me guess she's a nurse or even better a doctor Laughing
"Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"

Posted: December 30, 2016 4:31:37 pm
Shocked Oh, man, take care of yourself, CK. I hope whatever the problem is has been solved.
Posted: January 4, 2017 4:42:03 pm
Very good Idea.. Never thought of it... I'd love to see your Data bases Applause
Posted: May 12, 2018 3:19:00 am
I'm back! Let the crossing over begin!!!
Posted: May 12, 2018 3:23:10 am
Welcome back Jerry! I'm not collecting much these days but I did notice some DC/Warner Brothers titles. Not sure if those count as many of the characters don't even have a regular comic and I think they are both owned by the same corporate masters.
Tenzil
Posted: May 12, 2018 8:21:22 am
Yes, if they're under the same umbrella...it is an intracompany crossover. Thank you for the quick welcome!!!
Posted: May 12, 2018 11:02:50 am
Welcome back, CK!!! Very Happy Dancing
Posted: May 12, 2018 12:34:34 pm
TY Plaristes. It has been a long haul. It seemed like I was in the hospital more than at home!
Posted: May 12, 2018 1:59:36 pm
Here's one of the obscure crossovers I mentioned:

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It's only a cover crossover, since there's no story within to match it, but it's still cool. It was published by a Brazilian publisher that had the rights to translate American stories from various different companies, and they produced some original covers for their Portuguese translations. Many of the Brazilian readers at the time probably had no idea that the characters in the issues they would buy were actually coming from different companies in the US. Smile

Another crossover is so obscure that I haven't been able to nail down for sure the info I have about it. A very long-running series in Mexico was titled Pepin. It was an anthology that included both original Mexican characters as well as translations from the US. One of the popular Mexican characters was a woman named Adelita, who eventually got her own series. In one issue of Pepin, in Adelita's story one of her supporting characters is about to drive off of a cliff when Superman swoops in and saves her before quickly flying away, saying that he's in the wrong story. Laughing Unfortunately, I haven't been able to definitely confirm this. According to here, this crossover appeared in Pepin #892, and according to here, the story was published in 1940. However, it's really hard to find reliable info about Pepin, to the point where I haven't even been able to find even a cover image of #892, or info about its contents to confirm that that's the correct issue. Still, this is really interesting, and if correct I believe it would be Superman's very first intercompany crossover. Very Happy
Posted: May 12, 2018 8:46:11 pm
Welcome back sir, hope you are on a road to recovery.
"Disliking everything is not the same thing as having an opinion"

Posted: May 13, 2018 8:31:10 am
Canuck...thank you. Plaristes...That IS an awesome cover! Well, you knew I couldn't resist. Even though it wouldn't count (for my collection)...I have to do some research on that Pepin book! That is a great story!
Posted: May 13, 2018 2:24:51 pm
I thought you might like that, CK. Smile Here's another item you might like. We've talked before about how in the UK in 1991 the Comic Relief Comic was an officially licensed crossover between various companies (Marvel, DC, whoever owns Judge Dredd, etc.). This comic is obscure (I've never managed to find a copy for sale), but now you can read it thanks to whoever runs this blog: link. Enjoy Very Happy
Posted: May 13, 2018 3:13:41 pm
Thank you! I'll tell you...your love of crossovers rivals mine...and may exceed it!
Posted: May 13, 2018 3:29:49 pm
I wanted to let people know that I've finished writing my book titled Crossover Crazy! An Early History of Intercompany Crossover Comics and More. Does anyone have connections with a publisher that may be interested? I'm going to start a new thread and ask there also, so that more members may take notice.
Posted: May 13, 2018 4:47:12 pm
I wish I had an "in" with a publisher, since I really want to buy your book! Very Happy
Posted: May 15, 2018 2:22:42 am
I LOVE crossovers and have a bunch of them. I'll have to look through my collection, I think I might have a couple for you that haven't been mentioned yet.

QUESTION: Do inter-company crossover cameos count?

In the Captain America: Theater of War - America The Beautiful one shot there's a fantastic full page Captain America/Sgt. Rock pinup by Andy Kubert between the two stories that there's absolutely no other information on that I can find. It's like it doesn't exist. . .even though it does!
Favorite Characters: Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, Captain America, The Shadow, Zorro, The Rocketeer, Jonah Hex
Posted: May 15, 2018 7:27:31 pm
Hmmm....VERY interesting! First, I'll tell you my expertise is 20th century intercompany crossovers. To answer your question, cameos count. However, to be a cameo...it must be part of the comic book story (not a pinup between stories) and must also be credited to the two or more companies (universes) involved. If there is credit to DC for its control of Sgt. Rock (at that time), I would count it as an intercompany crossover insert poster.

Also, I love to see the words typed out..."I LOVE crossovers"! There are a LOT of intercompany crossover enthusiasts that have enhanced this thread. I hope to hear back from you again...and again...and again!
Posted: May 16, 2018 12:01:41 am
Thanks! DC isn't given any kind of credit, but there he is sitting in a jeep with Cap. . .Rock on his name tag right there in a Marvel comic. I've been wondering how that happened, but there's literally no information to be found. Maybe it was just sort of snuck in under the radar. . .a wink, wink, nudge, nudge kind of thing on the part of Kubert.

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Favorite Characters: Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, Captain America, The Shadow, Zorro, The Rocketeer, Jonah Hex
Posted: May 16, 2018 7:33:37 am
It sounds pretty cool! Even though I deal with 20th century (for now)...I may just have to get that book!
Posted: May 16, 2018 10:47:50 am
Do you plan to look into any 21st century crossovers, CK? There have been quite a few, and some are really cool. I've been impressed with the ones with Star Trek (Legion of Superheroes, Planet of the Apes, Green Lantern). And Archie vs. Predator was an out-of-left-field blast Razz
Posted: May 16, 2018 3:23:26 pm
Hey! I'm strongly considering it. The main thing that may hold me back is that I really want to write a book on chess opening traps. What I have in mind will be (by far) the most complete work ever done in that area. I want to call it Gotcha! which is a loose acronym for Gamits of Opening Traps for CHess Afficionadados. Also, I don't know how time consuming it is going to be getting Crossover Crazy! published.

If I were to write a book on 21st century books, I don't think it will take nearly the amount of time and research. Dang it...now you have me confused on what comes first...the chess book or the crossovers part 2!
Posted: May 17, 2018 12:20:59 am
Yeah. . .I missed the part where you specified 20th century crossovers. I have a LOT of crossovers, but no pre-2000 ones you haven't already mentioned or listed. PLENTY of 21st century crossovers, though. . .

Favorite Characters: Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, Captain America, The Shadow, Zorro, The Rocketeer, Jonah Hex
Posted: May 17, 2018 3:08:44 am
Chess is a great game but it isn't going anywhere and there are plenty of books on the subject. Crossovers first, please!
Tenzil
Posted: May 17, 2018 8:34:53 am
atom...do you have any pre-2000 intercompany crossovers? Also...it sounds like you're VERY much into them. Do you collect inercompany crossovers just because they are crossovers? Or do you happen to have a lot because they were good comics and just happened to be crossovers?

Tenzil...thank you! You made my day with your enthusiasm!
Posted: May 17, 2018 11:00:40 am
ck, let us know if you decide to work on 21st century crossovers. We can work in this thread to make sure we've identified them all ;-)
Posted: May 18, 2018 1:36:33 am
Crossoverking said:
atom...do you have any pre-2000 intercompany crossovers? Also...it sounds like you're VERY much into them. Do you collect inercompany crossovers just because they are crossovers? Or do you happen to have a lot because they were good comics and just happened to be crossovers?

Tenzil...thank you! You made my day with your enthusiasm!


I have quite a few pre-2000 crossovers, but you've mentioned all of them already in this thread, so nothing new for you there.

Batman/Grendel (both)
Batman/Spawn (both)
Bardrock/Wolverine ashcan,
Warrior Nun Areala/Scorpio Rose,
Crow/Razor (black leather silver ink signed edition),
Batman/Predator (all 3)
Batman/Judge Dredd (all 3)
Batman/Daredevil (both)
Batman/Captain America,
Archie/Punisher,
Predator/Magnus Robot Fighter,
Batman/Punisher (both)
ShadowHawk/ Vampirella,
Batman/Aliens,
Azrael/Ash,
Batman/Hellboy/Star Man
Superman/Terminator
Amalgam: Amazon/Assassins/JLX/Legends of The Dark Claw/Bruce Wayne Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D./Bullets and Bracelets/Bat-Thing/Lobo the Duck/Challengers of The Fantastic/Exciting X-Patrol/Thorion of the New Asgods

My daughter has quite a few more in her collection as well.

I have a lot of these kind of books because I like to collect the unusual and also really enjoy seeing characters that don't normally interact in the same story. Characters like Daredevil, Punisher or Grendel are PERFECT for a good Batman story! Or is it that Batman is PERFECT for a good Grendel, Punisher or Daredevil story? Cross overs between companies are just good fun and (most of the time) good reading.

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Favorite Characters: Lone Ranger, Green Hornet, Captain America, The Shadow, Zorro, The Rocketeer, Jonah Hex
Posted: May 18, 2018 9:40:28 am
Hey! You guys are ganging up on me...LOL! I'll have to do some serious thinking now in regard to the chess book or a book on 21st century intercompany crossovers! First...don't forget, I don't have a publisher yet for the first book! Plaristes...your idea is great. It would make my research so much easier. One major problem I can see would be listing (accurately) ALL of the ashcans and previews...not to mention ALL of the alternate covers! When I was collecting AND researching at the same time back in the 1990's, it was all I could do to keep on top of all of the alternate covers (especially for the bad girl crossovers). Harris Comics, London Night, Antarctic, Lightning, High Impact and others were notorious for all of their alternate covers. Even when I was on top of things (and I mean I probably averaged 3-4 hours per day) there were alternate covers I missed, only to find out about them years later. Then...I really had to scramble...trying to find an alternate cover with a low print run years after the fact.

So...I guess I have some serious thinking about which book is next.

atom! Wow...you ARE into it! I was surprised to see you mention the Badrock/Wolverine ashcan! I didn't know about it at the time Badrock/Wolverine came out. I found out years later. There were only 500 of those. It took me over a year to find mine. You obviously love Batman and Batman crossovers. Batman was in more 20th century crossovers than any other character! Here are all of the appearances of Batman in 20th century intercompany crossovers:
All Access #1
All Access #3
All Access #4
Azrael/Ash
Batman/Aliens #1
Batman/Aliens #2
Batman and Spider-Man
Batman/Captain America
Batman/Daredevil
Batman/Grendel Devil’s Bones #1
Batman/Grendel Devil’s Dance #2
Batman/Grendel Devil’s Masque #2
Batman/Grendel Devil’s Riddle #1
Batman/Hellboy/Starman #1
Batman/Hellboy/Starman #2
Batman/Judge Dredd Die Laughing #1
Batman/Judge Dredd Die Laughing #2
Batman/Judge Dredd Judgement on Gotham
Batman/Judge Dredd The Ultimate Riddle
Batman/Judge Dredd Vendetta in Gotham
Batman/Punisher Lake of Fire
Batman/Spawn War Devil
Batman/Tarzan #1
Batman/Tarzan #2
Batman/Tarzan #3
Batman/Tarzan #4
Batman Versus Predator #1
Batman Versus Predator #2
Batman Versus Predator #3
Batman Versus Predator II Bloodmatch #1
Batman Versus Predator II Bloodmatch #2
Batman Versus Predator II Bloodmatch #3
Batman Versus Predator II Bloodmatch #4
Batman Versus Predator III Blood Ties #1
Batman Versus Predator III Blood Ties #2
Batman Versus Predator III Blood Ties #3
Batman Versus Predator III Blood Ties #4
Daredevil and Batman
Darkness/Batman #1
DC Special Series Vol. 5 #27 Batman VS The Incredible Hulk
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #1
DC Versus Marvel Showdown of the Century #4
JLA/WildC.A.T.S
Magazineland USA
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #2
Marvel Versus DC Showdown of the Century #3
Pow! Biff! Pops!
Punisher/Batman Deadly Knights
Silver Surfer/Superman #1
Spawn/Batman
Spider-Man and Batman
Unlimited Access #2
X-Patrol #1

Another book on your list that jumped out at me was Crow/Razor. Did you get the series?
So...well, before I begin to ramble, I hope I've given everyone food for thought!
Posted: May 18, 2018 11:24:25 am
And that's just 20th century comics in the US! Batman appeared in a few 20th century crossovers published in foreign countries as well. :-)
Posted: May 18, 2018 5:55:54 pm
Crossoverking said:
I wanted to let people know that I've finished writing my book titled Crossover Crazy! An Early History of Intercompany Crossover Comics and More. Does anyone have connections with a publisher that may be interested? I'm going to start a new thread and ask there also, so that more members may take notice.

I don’t know any publishers personally, but you might want to check out TwoMorrows Publishing since they produce a lot of comic book publications like Alter Ego and Back Issue Magazine. At least it might get the ball rolling but check their submission guideline beforehand.
Here’s the link http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=11

P.S. – Good to have you back, CrossoverKing.
Posted: May 18, 2018 7:12:42 pm
Plaristes...don't get me started! LOL I refuse to open up the international intercompany crossover can of worms! However, I always love to see the fantastic information you come up with in that area!

Bobarian...thank you for the welcome back! Believe it or not, I've written Twomorrows and am hoping to hear back from them! They DO publish a lot on comic books and comic book history. Of all of the publishers, I think you made the best suggestion.
Posted: May 18, 2018 7:53:24 pm
Crossoverking said:
Bobarian...thank you for the welcome back! Believe it or not, I've written Twomorrows and am hoping to hear back from them! They DO publish a lot on comic books and comic book history. Of all of the publishers, I think you made the best suggestion.

In that case, I hope you hear positive news from them soon. Good luck.
Posted: May 18, 2018 8:24:20 pm
Bobarian...don't make yourself scarce in the thread!
Posted: May 19, 2018 11:26:14 am
Crossoverking said:
Plaristes...don't get me started! LOL I refuse to open up the international intercompany crossover can of worms! However, I always love to see the fantastic information you come up with in that area!


Here's one I was excited to learn of. Conan İlkel Çağlarin Yenilmez Savaşçisi #57 (1983) was an original Marvel Conan story published in a Turkish Conan series that was mostly Turkish translations of American stories. However, this story was original and, to everyone's surprise, Superman shows up and meets Conan! Shocked

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Posted: May 19, 2018 2:48:33 pm
Wow that's cool! It would be awesome to have had some of these DC/Marvel crossovers that appeared internationally to have been official ones here in the states!
Posted: May 19, 2018 5:00:52 pm
Yeah, I really wish there was a trade that collected these foreign crossovers, translated into English. :-)






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