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Mr.Grimm
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- Posted: January 8, 2017 4:21:53 pm
dough boy said:
But it misses the fact that it is $ and ¢ for both US and Canada. People most likely look at it as another 60¢ and 75¢ pricing variant in the US not realizing it is a pricing difference between countries. Had it been 60¢ and 75¢CAN then we wouldn't be having a discussion. Remember they want for 75¢ Canadian currency and not three quarters US currency (because if you paid them three quarters US then you would be paying around 90¢ Canadian).
I think it is a "false" market personally and if there were more articles pointing out that it isn't truly a pricing variant people wouldn't have as much interest in them. We have some listed, but it is because they currently have a market for them (they sell for more, etc). In my opinion they should be treated just like UK pricing...it is only done due to currency valuation differences. Obviously UK has a lower print run as well. They just use P instead of ¢ so it is clear what is happening, etc.
I'm not sure if you know, but Canadian newsstands were sold in the united states. I don't need to search it through the web, because I physically walked into the gas stations and general stores, in Lynden WA. and bought Amazing Spider-man 252 ( $0.75), captain America 319 ($0.95), as well as other DC titles over those years.. I lived 2 miles from the border which I visited 3 or 4 times a week... I know this isn't my opinion, it is fact
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- Posted: January 10, 2017 9:11:33 pm
- I think comics that are notably different should be listed separately. A price difference is notable. That's just my opinion.
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- Posted: January 11, 2017 5:50:37 pm
amacd003 said:
So its possible that the CA 0.75 NS was convoluted with the test market price variants (as an example) either by mistake or purposely? Could there be another purpose other than a cash grab? Last year I saw a New Mutants #98 sold for $3000 because it was an Australian $ NS variant (literally just said AUS in the price box). Again, very low print run etc etc. These may not be seen as proper variants by some and can get very confusing outside the North America scope. Perhaps if the comic collectors communities from 'X' country want to see these as valid variants they can do so within their own markets.
Test markets where only deliberate to see how much money they could get for their comic books(product), in certain areas The other fact is both versions where sold in the USA and Canada ( depending on title availability) Demand would reflect this... 75, 95 cent variants were not deliberate, they were in response to the Canadian dollar. I always walked into the general stores in the USA and bought what I missed. I never liked doing this because of the Canadian dollar. By the time you make the currency exchange, you might be paying $1.15 for a comic, for which I could get in Canada for 75 cents.... In the early 80 s no one thought of these price variants as anything special, which is why they are special now.
I know the 60 cent and 75 centers were printed at the same time. Everything gets printed at exactly the same except, for the rectangle box and the price box. They would leave the box and price box clear, and then run them through again to add the spiderman face on the rectangle box and the price(s) on the top..or the bar code in the rectangle and the one price in the upper box
Australian, south African, Germany, holland, Spanish, portugese, finish, India, French, Belgium, etc.......where most likely NOT printed on the same print run as North Americas copies. I believe that inter nation copies where the second or third printing from the original North American distributed comics... I see a little niche here, but nothing special
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- Posted: January 12, 2017 6:06:34 pm
- In the 90's, our local comic shop got a comic with an Australian price on it which shipped in error from an American printer. I think the comic was printed at Sullivan in Alabama. .
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- Posted: February 10, 2017 7:22:32 pm
- I meant values of today in the back market as opposed to cover prices in the 80's being "convoluted" in favour of 'Canadian' or 'Exchange' $ variants. I am on the fence with the 'exchange rate' NS variants because both sides of the discussion make good points. So lets have a look at what we have (not going outside the North America scope)... test market = same comic, different NS price box - low print run. Exchange price variant = same comic, different NS price box - low print run. However, a test market $ variant and exchange rate $ variant are released in the market for totally different reasons. Test market is deliberate price hike sold along side current cover prices of the time( like Star Wars #1 '77 for example). Exchange or Canadian $ variants are well... just that, exchange rate price. Buuuut low print runs on any comic make them highly sought after because they are rare. Canadian NS $ Variants are not valued that much higher than their direct sales issues anyway in most cases today. So its as if the back market is recognising the variants but saying "meh" at the same time if that makes sense. This could change or it may not, time will tell. There are collectors out there who collect these types of differing variants from other countries. Its a small market but not a false one.
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Mr.Grimm
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- Posted: February 13, 2017 6:36:30 pm
bexany said:
I was just cataloguing my Daredevil Vol 1 issues and realised that there are some A/B variants listed which have different pricing such as 60c and 75c (e.g #195). The difference appears to be the direct to market vs the news stand edition. One has a bar code on the cover, the other doesn't.
Given that this likely exists on nearly every issue published, I don't see this as a valid "variant". To me a variant is a more fundamental difference: print run, artwork, limited edition, etc. Unless there is a significant differentiator, price just isn't something to distinguish it...unless of course it was an error in a print run.
Would you consider 30, 35 cent price variants as not being a significant difference as well?
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- Posted: February 13, 2017 6:45:43 pm
AmZoMBiE said:
the other thing to realize is that we as mods dont have the time or the lists in front of us to determine if a book is canadian or american...so books may have been added due to that fact as well. especially lately when Everyone wants their price variants listed (or so they think are price variants). to us as mods we cannot tell the difference either. that is why the price variant hault happened. too many people asking us to spend hours upon hours adding what everyone thinks are price variants when they are in fact different country runs of the same book.
I bought Canadian priced books in Lynden and sumas Washington in the early to mid 80s. I also bought American priced books at Main Spot News, Big Bills Comic book store in Langley Fraser hiway .. The 75 cent variants were sold in the United States Washington State. They are a price variant, even tho the intended destination was Canada. They were sold in the US. Some stores put the 60, 65 or the cent tag on the comic, because there was a 75 cent as the cover price...
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- Posted: February 13, 2017 6:54:53 pm
dough boy said:
But it misses the fact that it is $ and ¢ for both US and Canada. People most likely look at it as another 60¢ and 75¢ pricing variant in the US not realizing it is a pricing difference between countries. Had it been 60¢ and 75¢CAN then we wouldn't be having a discussion. Remember they want for 75¢ Canadian currency and not three quarters US currency (because if you paid them three quarters US then you would be paying around 90¢ Canadian).
I think it is a "false" market personally and if there were more articles pointing out that it isn't truly a pricing variant people wouldn't have as much interest in them. We have some listed, but it is because they currently have a market for them (they sell for more, etc). In my opinion they should be treated just like UK pricing...it is only done due to
currency valuation differences. Obviously UK has a lower print run as well. They just use P instead of ¢ so it is clear
what is happening, etc.
They were also sold in the US. I remember mentioning this. The price you actually would pay in Canadian dollars would be 90 cents (about).. I would still buy them if I didn't have them, or missed them. I didn't buy too often in Washington state. I lived 2 miles from the border, and I would visited the US 3 times a week in those days. At the end of the day it's about what people are willing to pay. They have gained incredible ground interns of monitory gain. The international comic book scene is taking interest. 
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