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dough boy
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- Posted: November 17, 2016 1:31:35 pm
- Until further notice we will not be adding anymore pricing variants. You can either add them to your collection and make a note, or remember what you have should we add them later. Somehow we got some added to the system and now everyone wants a pricing variant added. We need to evaluate the best way to accommodate the variants (if at all) and until we do so we will not be adding anymore.
We might decide to walk back the changes made thus far and remove them from your collection for the regular variant.Favorite Quote: "You're not just some guy in a bat costume are you? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! - Justice League #1, 2011" Hunting for (mainly reprints/variants) - Please help! - See My Profile
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Mr.Grimm
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- Posted: November 21, 2016 2:41:32 pm
- I would recommend to keep them to dollar and cents otherwise it gets to convoluted, confusing, because everyone wants their ( mexican, french, british, polish, german, on and on)books to be special, when in fact it's doing anything but.
Dollars and cents nothing outside of North America
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bexany
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- Posted: December 18, 2016 5:07:30 am
- I was just cataloguing my Daredevil Vol 1 issues and realised that there are some A/B variants listed which have different pricing such as 60c and 75c (e.g #195). The difference appears to be the direct to market vs the news stand edition. One has a bar code on the cover, the other doesn't.
Given that this likely exists on nearly every issue published, I don't see this as a valid "variant". To me a variant is a more fundamental difference: print run, artwork, limited edition, etc. Unless there is a significant differentiator, price just isn't something to distinguish it...unless of course it was an error in a print run.
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amacd003
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dough boy
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- Posted: January 1, 2017 8:28:10 am
- I think this article ignores a very significant fact...we are talking about different print runs/prices for different countries. We are not talking about a pricing variant for the same country in test markets. It was a "variant" created because of a currency valuation. UK already had one but because the currency was a different format (£) and not the same format ($) the publishers could get away with one cover for two countries.
Now because the currencies are in the same format it is "easy" to confuse them as pricing variants (even within the US). This is especially problematic as we share a large border and people freely travel between the two countries and bring their collections with them. In my opinion the people promoting the price difference (US to CA) are people who might want to manipulate the market and capture unsuspecting people. Had the CA version of the comics had anything else along with the price difference (i.e. CA, etc) we wouldn't be talking about it would be my guess.
Right now I can sometimes find modern pricing variants for newsstand comics. Generally they are $1 more. My logic would say not to include them...however, if someone puts in they paid $3.99 but we say the comic is only worth $2.99 they immediately have a $1 loss. But we now have a sale in our system of $4 for a $3 comic. So then do we increase the value of the comic ti $4 because we know no difference?
Ultimately I think that no pricing variant should be tracked separate UNLESS there is a valuation difference. If there is a market for the price difference then I think we should track them. The problem then becomes if we track ASM #238 and we show it as a 75 cent variant, someone comes along and says I have #239...what about that one, etc.Favorite Quote: "You're not just some guy in a bat costume are you? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! - Justice League #1, 2011" Hunting for (mainly reprints/variants) - Please help! - See My Profile
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dough boy
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- Posted: January 1, 2017 8:30:13 am
bexany said:
I was just cataloguing my Daredevil Vol 1 issues and realised that there are some A/B variants listed which have different pricing such as 60c and 75c (e.g #195). The difference appears to be the direct to market vs the news stand edition. One has a bar code on the cover, the other doesn't. Favorite Quote: "You're not just some guy in a bat costume are you? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! - Justice League #1, 2011" Hunting for (mainly reprints/variants) - Please help! - See My Profile
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amacd003
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- Posted: January 1, 2017 9:14:08 am
- The article points to low print runs of these newsstand comic books as a driving factor for being "more valuable" than their direct sales counterparts. Also, the article states that it applies to the key/minor key issues and that not every book with a 0.75 cover will become more valuable over it's direct sales book. I have seen some of the CA NS variants at higher value on CBR, New Mutants #1b for example. What would be the reason for a valuation difference in this case or any case?
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dough boy
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- Posted: January 1, 2017 9:30:30 am
- But it misses the fact that it is $ and ¢ for both US and Canada. People most likely look at it as another 60¢ and 75¢ pricing variant in the US not realizing it is a pricing difference between countries. Had it been 60¢ and 75¢CAN then we wouldn't be having a discussion. Remember they want for 75¢ Canadian currency and not three quarters US currency (because if you paid them three quarters US then you would be paying around 90¢ Canadian).
I think it is a "false" market personally and if there were more articles pointing out that it isn't truly a pricing variant people wouldn't have as much interest in them. We have some listed, but it is because they currently have a market for them (they sell for more, etc). In my opinion they should be treated just like UK pricing...it is only done due to currency valuation differences. Obviously UK has a lower print run as well. They just use P instead of ¢ so it is clear what is happening, etc.Favorite Quote: "You're not just some guy in a bat costume are you? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! - Justice League #1, 2011" Hunting for (mainly reprints/variants) - Please help! - See My Profile
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AmZoMBiE
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- Posted: January 1, 2017 11:19:19 am
- the other thing to realize is that we as mods dont have the time or the lists in front of us to determine if a book is canadian or american...so books may have been added due to that fact as well. especially lately when Everyone wants their price variants listed (or so they think are price variants). to us as mods we cannot tell the difference either. that is why the price variant hault happened. too many people asking us to spend hours upon hours adding what everyone thinks are price variants when they are in fact different country runs of the same book.
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amacd003
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- Posted: January 1, 2017 8:52:00 pm
- So its possible that the CA 0.75 NS was convoluted with the test market price variants (as an example) either by mistake or purposely? Could there be another purpose other than a cash grab? Last year I saw a New Mutants #98 sold for $3000 because it was an Australian $ NS variant (literally just said AUS in the price box). Again, very low print run etc etc. These may not be seen as proper variants by some and can get very confusing outside the North America scope. Perhaps if the comic collectors communities from 'X' country want to see these as valid variants they can do so within their own markets.
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