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brucifer
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- Posted: April 16, 2023 5:14:21 pm
- I posted my picks for some of the best casting for comic book movies and/or TV shows just recently. I was hoping for a bit more feedback, but what are you going to do?
This time around I'm looking for the very worst casting to our beloved comic book movies and TV shows. Here's my top five:
1) Nicolas Cage as Johnny Blaze (aka Ghost Rider movie from 2007)
There's a reason why I refer to Nic Cage as a movie wrecker. He is not a very good actor at all. His wooden acting in that Ghost Rider movie was as painful to watch as inserting a catheter tube. I never did watch the second GR movie he starred in. My gag reflexes couldn't take it. Yuck is all I can say.
2) Arnold Schwarzenegger as Victor Fries (aka Mr. Freeze in the Batman And Robin movie from 1997)
I'm not going to blame Arnie for how horrible that fourth Batman came out. He didn't write it or direct it, so he shouldn't shoulder all the blame. He was extremely ridiculous in that movie, though. Every single line had a "cold theme" that was as corny as it was just plain stupid.
3) Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan (aka Green Lantern from the 2011 movie)
I'm not sure who cast the wise-cracking Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan, but it was a huge, huge mistake. Mr. Reynolds isn't a bad actor, it was just the Hal Jordan character was not a very good choice for him. The movie wasn't all that bad from what I can remember. Mr Reynolds was the very wrong pick for that particular movie.
4) Mehcad Brooks as Jimmy Olsen (starring in the Supergirl TV show)
I'm no Superman expert whatsoever, but my images of Jimmy Olsen from the comic books is a short, red-headed, ugly, nerdy, white photographer who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. Mehcad Brooks was (and still is) a tall, bald, handsome, suave, black photographer who ends up becoming Guardian due to his fighting prowess. That seems like the exact opposite. I don't mind DC adding some "color" to their cast. Mr. Brooks is a fine actor, but I have no idea how he ended up as James Olsen.
5) Brandon Routh as Clark Kent (aka Superman in the Superman Returns movie from 2006)
This has more to do with a crummy Superman movie compared to Mr. Routh's acting effectiveness. Looks like director Bryan Singer is to blame for that movie being so nonsensical. As Mr. Routh has proven with his appearances on Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow, he is a perfect Atom (aka Ray Palmer). His nerdy, goody two-shoes, Boy Scout persona is so enjoyable to watch it's uncanny. He is one of the main reason's to watch Legends of Tomorrow (alongside Mick Rory, of course).
What do you think? What did I miss?
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SugarShark
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- Posted: April 17, 2023 2:39:26 pm
- I haven't watched a lot of comic book movies unless I knew I would like it; so I've probably been spared many terrible performances.
hating casting choices probably has strong roots in our own fandom, and I likely couldn't appreciate how far an actors portrayal is from the source to elicit a visceral response unless I previously was a fan. ie. I thought Moon Knight was 'nice'. but I was in horror hearing that Channing Tatum was cast to play Gambit
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Nf7mate
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- Posted: April 24, 2023 10:46:32 pm
- For me, it can be hard to separate a bad script from a bad casting choice. I did not enjoy Stallone as Dredd, Eisenberg as Luthor, or Clooney as Batman, but I'm not sure if the problem was the casting choice or bad scripts that even these talented actors couldn't redeem.
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brucifer
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 11:20:03 am
- Maybe I should have posted two different topics. One for outright bad casting (like Stallone in Dredd). The other for horrible movies/scripts where no one acting in the movie would save it (like Stallone in Dredd). Wait, that didn't work out as well as I had originally thought.
I guess there a bunch of crummy superhero movies out there. Not surprisingly, that also involves incorrect casting for the leads or supporting roles.
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 12:03:36 pm
brucifer said:
Maybe I should have posted two different topics. One for outright bad casting (like Stallone in Dredd). The other for horrible movies/scripts where no one acting in the movie would save it (like Stallone in Dredd). Wait, that didn't work out as well as I had originally thought.
I guess there a bunch of crummy superhero movies out there. Not surprisingly, that also involves incorrect casting for the leads or supporting roles.
Well at least the Judge Dredd had comic accurate characters in it more than Dredd did and for him not taking his helmet on or off? but to have a made up villain instead of someone from the comics like Judge Death was a joke...
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brucifer
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 12:07:42 pm
- Zombie Cap, are you saying you liked the Stallone Judge Dredd movie? To each his own, obviously. I don't like Stallone's acting except in the first couple of Rocky's and, of course, First Blood.
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 2:23:28 pm
- I think a fun script can overcome medium acting.
certainly superhero stories don't always need gravitas and edge
maybe other people enjoyed Demolition Man as much as I did
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 2:37:21 pm
brucifer said:
Zombie Cap, are you saying you liked the Stallone Judge Dredd movie? To each his own, obviously. I don't like Stallone's acting except in the first couple of Rocky's and, of course, First Blood.
I could care less about his acting #1 it had ALOT of comic references that Dredd did NOT
Even the creator of Judge Dredd LOVED Dredd and hated Judge Dredd?? WTF??
Judge Dredd felt MORE like a comic book movie than Dredd was I could list the accurate things that the first film did and the second didn't but I won't as a comic book fan the first film had more good things than bad the second film.....Nothing but Judge Anderson, Judge Guthrie and some WEAK made up villain "Ma-Ma" Madrigal really??? they could have used SO many other villains and I was hoping for Judge Death but no...So this one was weaker than the first film then only thing in Dredd that was accurate was him not taking off his helmet..that's it
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Nf7mate
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 11:01:16 pm
brucifer said:
Maybe I should have posted two different topics. One for outright bad casting (like Stallone in Dredd). The other for horrible movies/scripts where no one acting in the movie would save it (like Stallone in Dredd). Wait, that didn't work out as well as I had originally thought.
LOLDid I err?
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- Posted: April 26, 2023 11:32:34 pm
- Zombie Cap, you are the first person I've ever spoken to who likes the Stallone Dredd movie but not the Urban one. I think it's cool that you call it like you see it. I was very disappointed with the Stallone movie (watched it once in the theatre the day it came out and will never watch it again) but I greatly enjoyed the Urban movie. At least we each have one Dredd movie we can rewatch and enjoy!
PS - Would love to see a movie featuring the Dark Judges. I would also love to see the Apocalypse War storyline, starting with Block Mania. Hopefully we will get another movie or series within our lifetime.Did I err?
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Zombie Cap
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- Posted: April 27, 2023 1:24:22 pm
Nf7mate said:
Zombie Cap, you are the first person I've ever spoken to who likes the Stallone Dredd movie but not the Urban one. I think it's cool that you call it like you see it. I was very disappointed with the Stallone movie (watched it once in the theatre the day it came out and will never watch it again) but I greatly enjoyed the Urban movie. At least we each have one Dredd movie we can rewatch and enjoy!
PS - Would love to see a movie featuring the Dark Judges. I would also love to see the Apocalypse War storyline, starting with Block Mania. Hopefully we will get another movie or series within our lifetime.
No maybe you re-read my post and said that Judge Dredd did more justice to the character and his world OVERALL than Dredd did...Funny thing is that if any other comic property had a made up lame villain INSTEAD of the real villain for that hero people would be up in arms but I guess Dredd keeping his helmet on was more important that actually having a TRUE enemy to fight instead of some made up prostitute/drug lord that didn't make any sense...
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- Posted: April 27, 2023 5:21:40 pm
- Zombie Cap - I'm honestly not prepared to discuss why the Stallone movie was bad. I only saw it one time almost 30 years ago, so I don't know that I could be fair in my criticism, but it was much more than just the helmet issue. The helmet issue - and the kiss - were just bad icing on a bad cake.
I will say a word on why it did not bother me that they created a new villain for the 2012 movie. While there are some recurring villains, Dredd is constantly facing new enemies in the comics, so having a new enemy for a movie was not out of place. Because there are constantly new villains in the comics, having a new villain for the movie does no injustice to Dredd or Mega-City One in my opinion. By the way, one of my favorite storylines in the comic, "Graveyard Shift" has no central villain. It's just an average night in the life of Judge Dredd where he deals with a number of small cases and even works in some Section 59c crime swoops in his spare time. If they made that type of story into a movie, there would be no central villain at all, but I would enjoy it a great deal and it would absolutely be true to the comic.
Having said all that, if you didn't like the movie because they didn't use an established villain, I can understand your point of view. But I don't think the choice did any injustice to Dredd or the 2000AD universe. Cool to have a conversation with another fan of Dredd comics, BTW. Who is your favorite Dredd writer and artist? Lots of great ones to choose from, but in my opinion the best duo was John Wagner doing the writing with Brian Bolland doing the artwork.Did I err?
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- Posted: April 28, 2023 6:13:38 pm
- a lot of fans like strictly panel for panel copied movie adaptations like Watchmen
even if you get 95% adapted there's some fans still saying 'where's the giant space squid?!?!'
other fans enjoy their franchise to get a total overhaul and might keep less than 25% of the paper source; having modern storylines/values for your golden age hero seems prudent
others only want bronze age values rather than modern-modern values because it breaks the immersion of decades of writing
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Zombie Cap
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- Posted: April 28, 2023 6:25:18 pm
SugarShark said:
a lot of fans like strictly panel for panel copied movie adaptations like Watchmen
even if you get 95% adapted there's some fans still saying 'where's the giant space squid?!?!'
other fans enjoy their franchise to get a total overhaul and might keep less than 25% of the paper source; having modern storylines/values for your golden age hero seems prudent
others only want bronze age values rather than modern-modern values because it breaks the immersion of decades of writing
OK saying that what did Dredd bring to the table from the books??
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- Posted: May 20, 2023 10:32:27 pm
- So far most of these choices are affiliated with bad movies. Has there been a bad casting in a good movie? If the script is right and the actor is somewhat talented it works.
I can't think of, off the top of my head, a bad casting in a movie I enjoyed of a super hero. Maybe a minor character but not one of the hero's. All of the X-men have been well cast, ditto all the Avengers/Guardians/Justice League as well.
I don't think JL gave Cyborg much to do but that doesn't mean it was the wrong actor.
I even think Ben Affleck was a decent Batman, just not close to the best. Keaton and Bale get that vote no doubt. Keaton was perfect for Burton's campiness homage to the 60's show and Bale was made for a super intense version of Batman.
I guess you could say Andrew Garfield wasn't great as Spider-man. His boy band hair and mannerism was my least fav of the 3 actors. But it was more 'okay' than terrible because I enjoyed the 2 movies.
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