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- Posted: November 9, 2010 12:11:28 pm
- thanks that clear up a lot. =), I got it for cheap too, not too worried about it, Now I'd rather buy raw comics instead of qualfied ones. haha
Edit: They person that was selling the qualified books, also has 2 or 3 more qualified Wilbur books for sale, all with good grades =S
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- Posted: November 9, 2010 12:44:03 pm
- "As for the 8.0 and Qualified status, if the page is an ad page that does not affect the story, then we would Qualify it meaning we ignore it for grading purposes."
WHAT?? I can tear out sections of story pages without affecting the story, so would they look the other way for that too? Why not do that for all comics? "9.6 Qualified .... inside pages are all torn, but otherwise nice!"
I've totally lost respect for CGC.
"If we did not do that (for a story page, for instance), the book would have gotten a .5 Incomplete grade and have been killed, value wise. "
Well that comic WAS missing a story page, so I'm not sure what they're talking about. Seems like they're saying that book SHOULD have gotten a 0.5 grade because it was missing a story page, not an ad page.
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- Posted: November 9, 2010 4:12:07 pm
- I am sorry...I just don't get it. I can understand a qualified label for non-verified signatures, however, they shouldn't qualify a book for any other reason. The whole point of CGC (PGX) is to have an impartial 3rd party grade the book at INDUSTRY standards.
If the "bible" (Overstreet) says it should be a .5 or 1.0 at best, then that is the grade it should have.
CGC said: "If we did not do that (for a story page, for instance), the book would have gotten a .5 Incomplete grade and have been killed, value wise. " THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT...there is no value in a .5. You are arbitrarily trying to inflate the "value" of the book.
Try sending them a modern comic with the cover missing. Would they give it a 10.0 qualified if the overall book is perfect just without the cover?
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- Posted: November 9, 2010 4:27:39 pm
- I see now, how this a big issue =S
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- Posted: November 10, 2010 1:55:16 pm
- Spa - you should have gone with "I have a Cover for Lois Lane that I've stapled to a Shadowhawk comic" and asked if they'd give it an 8.0 with the comment "Incorrect interior".
It really does make a joke of the concept...... but then I would never buy a slabbed book because my reason for buying comics is to read them generally. Currently Reading: Graphic Novels: Nightwing (90s series), Lumberjanes Regular Novels: Chronicles of Prydain Add me on Goodreads
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- Posted: November 10, 2010 2:03:58 pm
- Has anyone brought this up on other forums they might go to? I.e. what is the consensus in the CGC forums?
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- Posted: November 12, 2010 1:56:27 pm
- If you guys need more information, like pictures I have received the book. But the slabbing is much thicker than my other CGC comics
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- Posted: November 12, 2010 3:27:59 pm
- Book are you fratenizing with the enemy?
I tried going to the link to see if anyone said anything, but I couldn't access it.Favorite Quote: "You're not just some guy in a bat costume are you? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! - Justice League #1, 2011" Hunting for (mainly reprints/variants) - Please help! - See My Profile
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- Posted: November 12, 2010 8:38:46 pm
- Oh I am just teasing you...there is room for everyone I guess.
I was just curious why when I clicked on that link I couldn't get to it...wasn't sure if I had to log in or not.Favorite Quote: "You're not just some guy in a bat costume are you? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! - Justice League #1, 2011" Hunting for (mainly reprints/variants) - Please help! - See My Profile
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- Posted: October 29, 2011 5:06:46 pm
- Hi to all. I just joined up and I'm pleased that I found this site. The reason I found it is because of an auction I ran across on eBay a few minutes ago. Here is the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-222-CGC-9-0-VF-NM-DC-1970-Beatles-cover-/110761848814?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5336824214&toolid=10001&pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item19c9ebafee#ht_709wt_952.
This is for a copy of Batman # 222, CGC "Qualified" 9.0. It's qualified because the cover is detached at the bottom staple. Now, as I'm sure you all know, the highest grade Overstreet allows for a comic with a "detached at one staple" cover is 3.0. This seller has a Buy-It-Now price of $299.99 for this copy. The value in the current Overstreet for this issue in 9.0 is $76.00. I haven't even figured up what it guides at for 3.0 condition. In short, this seller wants almost 4 times the 9.0 value for a 3.0 copy! I can't blame CGC for this seller's insane BIN price, but I do blame them for using "Qualified" grades, which is one of the biggest jokes I've ever seen, when it comes to grading a comic book. It's either in 9.0 or 3.0 condition, and my money's on 3.0. It's taking a lot of willpower for me to not email the seller and ask him is he crazy. CGC's response to Larry at the beginning of this thread really drives home the truth to me concerning how impartial CGC is when it comes to grading. It's all about the money, not grading accurately. I'm sorry if I bother anyone in here with my opinion, but I feel that CGC should close it's doors, because as the owner of Tomorrow's Treasures stated, it's in CGC's interest to inflate grades, and that's just what they do.
Once again, I'm glad I found this site, and I wish you all well. I'd love to hear other's opinions about CGC.
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- Posted: March 31, 2014 11:00:21 am
- the thing is that they do tell you why they give it a grade of qualified. With that information it is up to you to decide if you want to buy it. I side with the CGC on that
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- Posted: March 31, 2014 11:08:02 am
- Yeah...but if the industry standard says a book should be X with flaw Y, but CGC says hey, we will grade it as a Z with flaw Y and just put "qualified" on it, doesn't that essentially rewrite the industry standard to be more of a, this is a Gem Mint 10.0 with these few flaws. You should then decide what you think the value should be...
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- Posted: April 1, 2014 7:46:47 am
- in all fairness they have become the standard
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- Posted: April 1, 2014 7:56:47 am
- Then they should post/publish what their grading ranges are. I.e. tear means this, missing piece means that. At least with the standard grading system we can all be in agreement with what it means. Now that they are the "standard" they tend to grade things differently between graders. They use the same universal .5 - 10.0, but don't use the same logic everyone else does...
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- Posted: April 1, 2014 11:59:09 am
ferpuerto said: in all fairness they have become the standard What's fair about that?
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- Posted: April 1, 2014 2:10:10 pm
junobeach said:ferpuerto said: in all fairness they have become the standard What's fair about that? What is fair about any standard. I mean collectors take them seriously because they are pretty consistent. Again 3 different people have to agree on a single grade, not just one
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- Posted: April 18, 2014 7:51:03 am
- Hmm yes, I was just speaking about this recently...
CGC has to much of a monopoly on grading, to a point where all people see is that number rather than the actual book. Grading will never be a perfect science, but I had actually not read this post before. An 8.0 with a story page missing are you kitten me right meow?
CGC is so expensive and hardly gets blasted as much for their flaws, it's sad for people who try to collect or sell raw who get totally screwed by high prices of CGC books.
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